2nd nut flush raised on turn and river. What do i do. 200NL
 

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $59.55
BTN: $473.20
SB: $277.85
Hero (BB): $562.90
UTG: $207.40
MP: $161

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($7) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, MP folds, BTN calls $7

Turn: ($21) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $48</font>, Hero calls $32

River: ($117) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $64</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $192</font>

Re: 2nd nut flush raised on turn and river. What do i do. 200NL
 

clear fold

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I think this is a tough decision, please elaborate

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Call obviously

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Folding a Q high flush here makes baby jesus cry.

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reads would help. but it's a limped pot, therefore smaller flushes will be in most players ranges who are limping the button. i call

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i raise vs. an unknown limping otb.

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If you had like 7s5s I could see folding, but so many lower spades are in his range.

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i raise vs. an unknown limping otb.

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I refuse to believe this is EV.

I assume this mean preflop.

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i raise vs. an unknown limping otb.

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wait, you'd 3-bet shove the river?

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i raise vs. an unknown limping otb.

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wait, you'd 3-bet shove the river?

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sure, against an unknown limping over 1 otb. here's my humanstove calculation:

good player: 15%
retard: 85%

given the human range, combined with the hand range, i'd say we're gonna get called by worse hands than the second nuts here a decent ammount of the time.

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I think 3 betting river is fine against a station who won't fold any flush.

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i raise vs. an unknown limping otb.

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wait, you'd 3-bet shove the river?

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sure, against an unknown limping over 1 otb. here's my humanstove calculation:

good player: 15%
retard: 85%

given the human range, combined with the hand range, i'd say we're gonna get called by worse hands than the second nuts here a decent ammount of the time.

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my first time thinking about the hand, i didn't even consider this as an option.

but thinking more about this, donks are never laying down smaller flushes. and consensus here is that a huge part of his range is smaller flushes.

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Clear shove or clear call depending on READS.

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I think this is a tough decision, please elaborate

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I was being sarcastic, and probably a bit preeminently so as I didn't realize how deep you guys were. Your river bet looks like a blocker so I imagine that he is raising a few hands that are very marginal as well as lesser flushes and possibly sets. I think that given that he has roughly 150 behind after the river raise, he may be able to fold a lot of sets/smaller flushes to a 3 bet so I think that a call is likely the best play.

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I think this is a tough decision, please elaborate

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I was being sarcastic, and probably a bit preeminently so as I didn't realize how deep you guys were. Your river bet looks like a blocker so I imagine that he is raising a few hands that are very marginal as well as lesser flushes and possibly sets. I think that given that he has roughly 150 behind after the river raise, he may be able to fold a lot of sets/smaller flushes to a 3 bet so I think that a call is likely the best play.

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i really doubt this player is raise/folding the river with anything in his range.

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your line is so weird.
3bet the turn, and get it in.
as played call the river

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Can you explain your bet sizing on the river?

I am calling this all day against anyone, a shove here though I think is -EV because you are getting called by the nut flush and smaller flushes are folding.

Given the stack sizes I think most idiots will be able to find the fold button holding T9 with $224 to go.

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i raise vs. an unknown limping otb.

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HUH.
his range when limping on the button, however weak a play that is, does include a lot of small SC type hands and maybe a suited ace (most ppl would raise with a suited aces on the button). i would call the river raise and then vomit a little bit if he turns over the Axs.

your river bet probably induced the raise as it is. call

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Can you explain your bet sizing on the river?

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Yea, I figured I if he has 2 pair or a set, he'll check behind so it's for value. Against the flush, I assume he raises and I can b/c or b/3bet depending. Problem is once he raised I kinda froze up and wasn't sure to call or shove.


BTW - I didn't want to 3bet the turn because I think it turns my hand face up and I lose a lot of value from 2 pair or a set.

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I just call in your spot. You guys are ~240bb deep and I don't see him calling a 3bet on the river that deep without AsXs

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You guys are ~240bb deep and I don't see him calling a 3bet on the river that deep without AsXs


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OMG!! He limped the button, so we can probably access that he is bad. bad players do not lay down big hands when they give you this much action.

ARRRRRR INNNNN!!!!

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I still dont understand why you didnt 3b the turn

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I still dont understand why you didnt 3b the turn

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agree that the turn should be 3-bet...if he has a small flush you could risk losing a lot of action if a 4th :spade falls on the river. also, it's not certain he will fold 2pr/set hands (esp. sets)