What do you do against REGULARS who 3-BET you alot??
 

What do you do against regulars who 3 bet you alot?

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It depends wether or not I am ahead of their range on average.

So, are they restealing when we have the button/cutoff, or are they 3-betting our early position raises a lot?

Are we playing timid post-flop?

Generally speaking, without notes or so, I tend to give them credit when they start doing this, but I take notes. I always take notes when someone has seen me fold more than normal.

Did they see us fold to 3-bets a lot in the past?

Just some ideas.

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c/r shove vs thier cbets in reraised pots. Most of the regs 3bet a good ammount and they do it light, however, thier mistake is that they then go on and cbet in those reraise pots way to often. Make them pay for this.

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If I know the guy plays well post flop, I just avoid him when possible. And try to choose a seat where guys like this don't have position on you. You won't make any profit trying to outplay these guys in large pots out of position. There are lots of tables to choose from, and the better you choose, the more $$$ you make.

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It depends wether or not I am ahead of their range on average.

So, are they restealing when we have the button/cutoff, or are they 3-betting our early position raises a lot?

Are we playing timid post-flop?

Generally speaking, without notes or so, I tend to give them credit when they start doing this, but I take notes. I always take notes when someone has seen me fold more than normal.

Did they see us fold to 3-bets a lot in the past?

Just some ideas.

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Some players will 3BET me alot from BTN, CO or from the Blinds. They will do it equally from those spots and do it often.

I fold alot to 3BETs but occasionally i'll play back, but its still costing me money in the long run. Its putting me in tough spots and i'm not adjusting properly.

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If I know the guy plays well post flop, I just avoid him when possible. And try to choose a seat where guys like this don't have position on you. You won't make any profit trying to outplay these guys in large pots out of position. There are lots of tables to choose from, and the better you choose, the more $$$ you make.

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yeah, i currently do this...

but the higher stakes you go, the more of these players there are, and the more tables you play, the harder it is to aviod them.

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c/r shove vs thier cbets in reraised pots. Most of <font color="white"> </font> the regs 3bet a good ammount and they do it light, however, thier mistake is that they then go on and cbet in those reraise pots way to often. Make them pay for this.

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What do you think about the way I played this hand?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $473
UTG+1: $218.95
MP1: $462.60
MP2: $290.85
CO: $192.65
Hero (BTN): $197
SB: $331.35
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $30</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($139) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $129 and is All-In</font>,

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would you have called if he had pushed the turn?

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would you have called if he had pushed the turn?

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I'm not sure, i would of been tempted.... I would probably call sometimes

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What do you do against regulars who 3 bet you alot?

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If you are Prahlad you should start 4 betting them.

But my advice to you is to practice avoidance.

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What do you do against regulars who 3 bet you alot?

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If you are Prahlad you should start 4 betting them.

But my advice to you is to practice avoidance.

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lol, what/who is Prahlad?

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was mahatma, now busto

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was mahatma, now RObusto

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Prahlad

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definitely minraise.

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CTS post on 4betting

CTS


Biceps advice about just avoiding them at 100NL is probably the best though.

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was mahatma, now RObusto

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Prahlad

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I think the estimates are he is +1million or more in the 25/50 games on stars this year

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What do you think about the way I played this hand?


Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $473
UTG+1: $218.95
MP1: $462.60
MP2: $290.85
CO: $192.65
Hero (BTN): $197
SB: $331.35
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $30</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($139) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $129 and is All-In</font>,

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"Suicidal" is probably a good description.

Against an unknown player, the vast majority of the time you will be up against AA/KK and playing a small pair like this will get expensive long-term.

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yeah, i currently do this...

but the higher stakes you go, the more of these players there are, and the more tables you play, the harder it is to aviod them.

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Its much easier at the lower levels to just avoid these players. Playing back at these players is a good spot to pick up some small pots as long as you arent scared of good players. 4 betting, stealing their c-bets are both strategies you could use.

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c/r shove vs thier cbets in reraised pots. Most of <font color="white"> </font> the regs 3bet a good ammount and they do it light, however, thier mistake is that they then go on and cbet in those reraise pots way to often. Make them pay for this.

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What do you think about the way I played this hand?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $473
UTG+1: $218.95
MP1: $462.60
MP2: $290.85
CO: $192.65
Hero (BTN): $197
SB: $331.35
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $30</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($139) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $129 and is All-In</font>,

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If you are playing loose and getting 3 bet alot then you have to start doing stuff like this on occasion.

So to me it looks good, to many it probably looks alien.

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Some players will 3BET me alot from BTN, CO or from the Blinds. They will do it equally from those spots and do it often. (...)

I fold alot to 3BETs but occasionally i'll play back, but its still costing me money in the long run.

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Well I am definitely not a pro, so take my words for what they are.

IMO if folding costs you money you fold too much. They do it often, so it´s a steal play basicaly on their side.
They probably think your game is a bit weak-tight.

One part if your problem is that you are out of position often - you say they do it from CO, BTN and the blinds. Being oop here is not very nice.

I play NL10 and I am actualy working on how to challenge the tight abc regulars c-bets. See, ~60% of the time they are missing the flop completely (no pair, no good draw). So are they c-betting a lot more? There must be some fold equity then. And value with so-so hands.(But, at NL10, they never play back when I attack. They standard c-bet, I raise, and from then on it´s fit or fold on their side. This might be different at your level.)

Preflop: Likewise, look at your preflop raising range to get a clue of how often you are ahead. If you raise a hand like JJ, AQo, whatever, have some idea about how many % of all hands are better than yours. If that would be like 15% but they are 3-betting 30%, play back.

That said, if someone is strong and tricky and daring and will embrace high variance for small +EV and has position against you, it might be time to leave. This has been said before.

Also, if they think you will fold too much to their 3-betting, try to find out how they play their monsters preflop. You fold a lot, so they just flat-call QQ+? All right, time for attack when they 3-bet.

Good luck! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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There is no easy answer, and it is difficult to play against players who do this well. 4-betting ligher is obviously something to consider. It can be tricky, depending on stack sizes, because you often only need 30%-33% equity to call if they then push and a lot of hands are marginal in that case (especially if we are talking about late position/shorter handed action).

Sometimes I just call the 3-bet with the intention of c/r a/i most flops. Sounds like a tilty response but it actually isn't as bad as it sounds.

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c/r shove vs thier cbets in reraised pots. Most of <font color="white"> </font> the regs 3bet a good ammount and they do it light, however, thier mistake is that they then go on and cbet in those reraise pots way to often. Make them pay for this.

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What do you think about the way I played this hand?

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $473
UTG+1: $218.95
MP1: $462.60
MP2: $290.85
CO: $192.65
Hero (BTN): $197
SB: $331.35
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $30</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $20

Flop: ($63) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $38</font>, Hero calls $38

Turn: ($139) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $129 and is All-In</font>,

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this is fine and pretty standard (obv not everytime you have 55 here, but you have to put this play in a decent percent of the time)