Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

MTT-Middle Stages

Blinds are 400-800

Hero (32K), one off the button, is dealt 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

UTG (45K) limps in, MP (26K) limps in.

Folded to me. I also limp, in "No set, no bet" mode.

SB mucks, BB (smallish, but can't recall) checks.

I've played with UTG on several occasions, and know him to be an aggressive player pre-flop, so his limp seemed suspicious.

MP is new to the table and BB is somewhat rockish. Not many hands played, generally has the goods when called.

Flop (3600) comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bets 5K, MP mucks.

What's your play?

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

I'm gonna raise him and see how serious he is. I'd be willing to bet he's still drawing to the flush and the flop bet is probably a semi-bluff. It also could be an overpair with a spade, given your previous suspicion.

The overbet (5000 into a 3600 pot) actually makes me lean toward him having the overpair or a 9, because it looks like he's trying to price out flush draws.

I seriously seriously doubt you're behind, and I think I wouldn't mind going to the felt here. Even if he has a made flush, which is very unlikely, you have a good, solid redraw. Raise to about 12,000. If he calls, he's on the flush draw. If he goes all in, I'm guessing it's an overpair with a spade. I call instantly.

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

Call. If he doesn't have a big flush it will make him very, very nervous and could buy you a free river card if you want it.

If another spade hits and he bets, fold. If he checks, bet.

Also if you can pair the board, do so.

Sam

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

I probably push.
(I think that's my answer to everything.)

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

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Raise to about 12,000. If he calls, he's on the flush draw. If he goes all in, I'm guessing it's an overpair with a spade. I call instantly.

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When he has the flush - what does he do then? I will frequently overbet the pot with either a non-nut made flush - or the nut flush. The reason I overbet the pot with nut flush is because of the players with your mentality - "he bets so much because he doesn't have it - I'm gonna raise...."

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

Lacking any other info here, i call the flop.

spade turn--if he bets i fold unless getting a good price to draw. if he checks, i think it's an easy bet/fold to a raise.

non-spade turn--if he checks, i bet more than enough to price out a flush draw, if he check-raises then its a read situation. if he bets out turn i probably go to the felt here, but also somewhat read dependent.

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

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If he doesn't have a big flush it will make him very, very nervous and could buy you a free river card if you want it.


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This is insanely illogical.

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

I probably raise him and then pot it on the turn if checked to me.

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

How does he normally play postflop?

Well, to the river you have .65 equity if he has As Ad, and .34 equity if he has 6s 7s which are the only two types of hands I put villain on. If you repop the flop, I don’t see an aggressive villain laying down, you’re probably coinflipping against his range for your stack, and your pots odds are basically 1:1.

I like smooth calling also. Obviously if a spade spikes, you're done, but I don't think you can have both

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Call. If he doesn't have a big flush it will make him very, very nervous and could buy you a free river card if you want it.

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and

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If another spade hits and he bets, fold. If he checks, bet.

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Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

You're right. If he has the flush, I'm having to hope to fill up to win. But I don't mind that because of how rarely he has the flush and how often I fill up.

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

I think i push here also. Put villain on the tough call.

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I agree w/ everything except the raise amount. raising to 12 gives him approx 3-1 to call, you are pricing him in. I think the over bet is 1 spade unless he is getting tricky, so I want to take it down before another card hits. Given the stack, I guess I'm pushing here.

(Original poster--what's the avg. stack?)

Re: Set on a flush board--what to do?
 

I push. If he has the nut flush, I spike a boat or quads on the turn or river. Next hand.

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If he doesn't have a big flush it will make him very, very nervous and could buy you a free river card if you want it.


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This is insanely illogical.

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Yes, now that you mention it, it is.

I was thinking about it in terms of pot control, more than taking a free card. I just made my point badly. With stacks this deep, I think I take advantave of position. Call here, and see what he does on the turn. I think a lot of players will check the turn, and give you the option of betting to take down the pot, or checking behind to keep the pot relatively small.

Then again I [censored] the dog this way when I flopped a set, and didn't have the discipline to lay it down when the flush got there. I'm a donkey.

Okay, call here. If the turn is not a spade, raise it up.

I suck.

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Edit: nevermind. I can't do math. you're right.