NL600 deep | tough riverdecision
 

villain is 20/17/3,5 26WTSD 2.0 riveraggro

Party Poker, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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UTG: $600
CO: $1,166
BTN: $1,158.90
SB: $123
Hero (BB): $1,397.45

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, CO calls $6, <font color="red">BTN raises to $33</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $27, CO folds

Flop: ($75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50

Turn: ($175) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $115</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $350</font>, BTN calls $235

River: ($875) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $415</font>, Hero folds

Results: $875 Pot
BTN mucked and WON $1,287.50 (+$854.50 NET)

Re: NL600 deep | tough riverdecision
 

this is atrocious.
i hate every street. turn is border-line, tho.

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this is atrocious.
i hate every street. turn is border-line, tho.

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Be constructive, or stfu.

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this is atrocious.
i hate every street. turn is border-line, tho.

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Flop is ok. I don't like the rest.

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this is atrocious.
i hate every street. turn is border-line, tho.

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Be constructive, or stfu.

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raise or fold pf. dont call oop.
raise or fold the flop, i dont like c/c alltho i admit i missed the double gutter. once again, being oop sucks so much here.
turn is close, id hate giving freecards but donking looks strong. river is close again, either bet/call or check/call, i dont think he has a boat here all that often. c/f, however, is baaaad.

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I don't like this. unless u have a read villain never half pot bluffs. There are a lot of heard/diamond combos that he may bluffing with. you have to be good only 25% this is an easy call.

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i dont think he has a boat here all that often.

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Really? I think Aces up is far and away his most likely hand, after the turn action.

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I think all streets are potentially ok except the river. You should strongly consider c/r on the flop since he should fold alot w/o history. If you hit the turn w/ your 6 clean outs you will have a disquised monster in a huge pot deep.

Re: NL600 deep | tough riverdecision
 

PF Meh: You're fairly deep. If you have reads I don't mind it terribly, although I'm not crazy about it.

Flop: Standard. You can't rep too many strong hands, he can, and your draw is disguised, but not that strong. Seems pretty standard. Bluff diamonds sometimes.

Turn: I donk here a lot, since he shouldn't see your hand coming, and it often will be read as weakness.

Since you went for the c/r, I think your size is decent. You could go a little bigger, but no biggie, at least you can get stacks in nice and easy on the river.

River: That river card reallllly sucks. Aces up definitely seems like his most likely hand on the turn, which obviously just got there. Frankly, I don't blame you too much for c/fing, and I think it may be the best play, although I'm sure I would have shoved or c/ced a lot of the time, in the heat of the moment, hoping he has Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]/some whiffed combo draw, or something.

A slightly larger turn c/r would have reduced these possibilities.

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i dont think he has a boat here all that often.

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Really? I think Aces up is far and away his most likely hand, after the turn action.

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hm yeah there are not much ohter hands on the turn with which he can call
but is there any good reason just to call the turn on this drawheavy board? i see no advantages vs. just pushing it in at the turn

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I like the river fold. He is almost never betting half pot expecting you to fold after you c/r'd the turn.

I'm wondering about out how much value you're missing by not betting the river - you really only lose value to Ax, but I think his range is heavily weighted towards a boat/combo draw, both of which don't give you any value if you bet. You also stand to be bluff-pushed over your bet by a missed draw.

As played though (given that you checked), I like the fold.

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I think you've been priced in on the river. Does this guy think you'd CR bluff this river (I find his bet sizing is a little strange)? Same question for turn (goes to how light he'd call you). AXh definitely seems possible for a hand we beat.

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I think you've been priced in on the river. Does this guy think you'd CR bluff this river (I find his bet sizing is a little strange)?

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this bet is never weakness...

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Same question for turn (goes to how light he'd call you). AXh definitely seems possible for a hand we beat.

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AXh will cb all day long??

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but is there any good reason just to call the turn on this drawheavy board? i see no advantages vs. just pushing it in at the turn

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All better hands call, all worse hands fold.

Re: NL600 deep | tough riverdecision
 

you guys realize he is not folding hearts/diamonds getting 3-1 on the turn? If he bets full pot we need to be good 33% of the time if he half pots we need to be good only 25%. Obv. half pot is worse for us since people bluff less when betting half pot. But in a huge pot 400 is 2/3 of a buyin so it represents a sizable bet. He has a ton of flush draws in his range so I don't see how you can fold given the price baring good reads.

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yeeeeeeh - he has less than a FH enough to make this a call imo

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Overbet donk turn to at least $225, possibly $250.

River fold is fine, he has to be very savvy to turn KQ into a bluff here.

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whole hand is fine. I probably make a move on the flop and cr bigger on the turn. river is fine.

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I'd probably call the river since I'm stubborn, but folding is likely correct and I basically agree with everything big jim said.