JT flops bottom two as PFR OOP
 

Villain is unknown but runs at 19%/15%/3.6. I just sat down and this is my first orbit. Comments on all streets appreciated.


Full Tilt Poker, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $1,796
Hero (CO): $1,000
BTN: $1,040.50
SB: $1,162.75
BB: $1,265.50
UTG: $985

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $35</font>, BTN calls $35, 2 folds

Flop: ($85) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $65</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $236.95</font>, Hero calls $171.95

Turn: ($558.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [ 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($558.90) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [ J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero

Re: JT flops bottom two as PFR OOP
 

Flop and turn looks ok. River c/r? Hard to make out his hand - but it looks like he could've been raising a FD on flop and taking the free card on the turn. Who is villain?

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I'm inclined to c/r the river so that he'll commit.

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Though he'll shove over a $200 bet as well, probably.

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bump &amp; results?

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Results in white below:
<font color="white">I open-shove for $720, he pretty much insta-calls with 9c8c. I wasn't sure if open-shoving in a situation like this is max EV, which is why I posted this thread. Also I wasn't sure if flop and turn lines were OK.</font>

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check and hope to induce bluff fomr a missed straight draw.

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wow before i read ur results i loved and open shove on the river, because his hand looks like a fd and u shove to make him call, VNH VNH that is awesome ship!

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depends who villain is for which line you should take. betting $100, checking and shoving are all viable. im pretty much only trying to evaluate which line will cause villain to make the biggest mistake.

if you dont know him too well i check.

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i think you should c/f turn btw.

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I like open shove or check, and I agree cf turn

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Nice river pwnage sir.

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like CR allin on river

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i think you should c/f turn btw.

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Why are we calling the flop then?

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i think you should c/f turn btw.

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Why are we calling the flop then?

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b/c he could be raising a draw on the flop. but after we call his raise and he fires again on the turn his hand range is skewed towards hands that beat ours.

That being said, i'm not sure I necessarily agree w/ c/fing the turn. I mean aggro opponents are surely capable of continuing to fire w/ combo draws. I don't know w/ this villain though.

by the way, river shove is pretty sweet - but i'm pretty sure you would've stacked him w/ a CR too, given your line.

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Against a player like that I think I might even consider folding that flop. Is that bad?

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You probably woulda stacked him with the river CR too, but then likelyhood of stacking him is higher with the open allin, no? All this given that he has the flush of course.

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lead turn for 450, call shove.

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It makes me feel like a nit, but I want to fold the flop so bad.

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As played, river looks like a great spot for a c/r.

If he was bluffing, he'll always follow through here, and if he has a flush, he probably stacks off no matter what you do.

I just don't see many hands that raise the flop for value and then check the turn that don't fit in these categories.

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It makes me feel like a nit, but I want to fold the flop so bad.

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Batman or Zorro costume Big Jim? haha - well done.

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It makes me feel like a nit, but I want to fold the flop so bad.

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