UB lying/dishonesty for the youngsters
 

FatalError wrote in the absolute cheating thread:
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"i think it is about time people start contacting the mathematically/computer savy minds in poker and ask them for a few minutes of time to raise awareness about this issue, people that come to mind

Chris Ferguson
Richard Brodie
Barry G
Bill Chen
Most of the Tiltboys"



The tiltboys include Phil Gordon. This reminded me of when UB was accused of setting up a fake freeroll for their first Aruba Tournament(2002) -- which Phil Gordon won. UB doesn't have the cleanest reputaion. For those who don't know, Russ Hamilton was one of the major owners of UB.

Here is the most important quote which is from Daniel N. Then I wil paste the whole text and a post from your commander David Sklansky. Mason M also posted in this thread which is from rgp.

Daniel N:
"I'm still not going to comment on the whole Aruba/UB deal. I wasn't
invlolved in it, and I just don't want to open up that can of worms for a
number of reasons. Yes, I was offered a free room and flight to Aruba, along
with a seat in the televised Pro tournament... I declined the offer, for
reasons I'm just not going to discuss.
In closing let me just say this: if anyone would like to offer me a freeroll
into a 250 thousand dollar one table tournament in Timbuktu tomorrow, I can
make it to the airport in an hour...
Daniel Negreanu"

David Sklansky wrote:
"Dsklansky
Dec 6 2002, 8:22 am
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
Local: Fri, Dec 6 2002 8:10 am
Subject: Re: Daniel Responds...

>I believe this would be called a first hand post signed by .a person. Daniel knew that UB had no intention of paying $250k to the winner of this one table
>tourney. He decided not to be involved in this deception.

>Kudos to him.
>Randy Collack

I have no idea what this thread is about. However I will say that I personally
know of two head up poker matches that received a lot of publicity, where the
amount played for was far, far less than what was advertised. One of these
matches occurred about eight years ago. The other was well before that. The
same guy was involved in both matches. One of his opponents has a pretty honest
reputation and would surprise many of you. The other opponent is considered to
be so squeaky clean that even Russ G wouldn't believe it if I told him who it
was. Both these fellows probably wondered whether I knew of their shenanigans.
The little information I gave here is probably enough for them to realize it is
them I am speaking of . But in spite of the fact that in at least one case I
have good reason to "expose" him, the fact is I won't. At least not until my
death whereupon a note in my safe deposit box will be read. "

Poster Groan responds withe answers:

Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
From: GROAN <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:51:17 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 6 2002 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: Daniel Responds...

On 06 Dec 2002 12:10:37 GMT, [email protected] (Dsklansky) wrote:
>I have no idea what this thread is about. However I will say that I personally
>know of two head up poker matches that received a lot of publicity, where the
>amount played for was far, far less than what was advertised. One of these
>matches occurred about eight years ago. The other was well before that. The
>same guy was involved in both matches. One of his opponents has a pretty honest
>reputation and would surprise many of you. The other opponent is considered to
>be so squeaky clean that even Russ G wouldn't believe it if I told him who it
>was. Both these fellows probably wondered whether I knew of their shenanigans.
>The little information I gave here is probably enough for them to realize it is
>them I am speaking of . But in spite of the fact that in at least one case I
>have good reason to "expose" him, the fact is I won't. At least not until my
>death whereupon a note in my safe deposit box will be read.

I love it how these famous Cardplayer writers like to HINT at things
so obviously so others do the dirty work of naming names while they
can deny ever coming out with information. Thought you were better
than Yellow Danny Boy is Sklansky, but I guess not. I also like to
guess because of how much it seems to piss of Wayno and Badger to do
so, and what is more fun than that?
Bob Stupak and Russ Hamilton (!) played a heads up match for a Travel
chanel TV show on Vegas that looked decidedly fake in the enthusiasm.
Even when I watched it years ago for the first time I thought it was
fake. That would be the first match.
ORAC, Mike Caro's computer program, would fit the squeaky clean image
part, and it played a much publicized heads up match. Was Bob Stupak
the opponent? If so, well that fills out the rest of the puzzle.
Course the three of them didn't come to me and sign an affidavit in
front of me and the Supreme Court Justices, so of course by Waynoian
Logic, we must not have the right to speculate about such things. So
I take it all back. "

The complete RGP thread- Daniel Responds...:

http://tinyurl.com/yveosf

Re: UB lying/dishonesty for the youngsters
 

why are you bringing 2002 into 2007?

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I can`t believe I clicked on this stupid thread actually expecting something interesting and worth reading.

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because [censored] phil gordon

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Its like im in a time machine.

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I found it interesting, thanks OP

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Because AP and UB are combined and I wanted to point out the boys from UB might not be any better than the guys from AP. This was UB's first live tournament and it was sham. Now UB is squeaky clean?

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UB sucks balls anyway so who cares

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I appreciate the info Top. People are starting to fill in the puzzle and topset is just offering a few more pieces of logic.

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I remember that A&E thing with Stupak, it was before I played poker and before tv poker was popular. They were supposedly playing a million dollar cash freezout and, as I remember it, there wasn't much action except occasionally when one of the players would go allin for a million, the cameras would zoom in excitedly, and then the other guy would fold. No idea who won, but it was one of my first impressions of NLHE.

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shaniac,

Thanks for adding content to this thread.

Has your impression of unlimited hold thems changed over the years?

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I remember like 2 years ago UB had a 1 million guaranteed tourney and it was a big deal for them and Annie Duke did a webcast for it, but her boyfriend won it, using an account registered to her apparently, it seemed shady to me. Not that there was cheating probably, but it's like Lee Jones' wife winning the sunday mill, can't even imagine that happening on Stars.

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Thanks wut. I forgot about that one. Here is a great post about Annie being the annoucer and possibly giving instructions for her boyfriend over the webcast. Best part:

"Many people thought Annie was coaching through the webcast. While she gave general commentary of all the players, a few people pointed out that she gave somewhat in-depth instructions of the general strategy for playing a big stack when it was about 5 or 6 handed and hhumbert was the big stack. She went into detail saying "humbert should be sitting back, not taking any unnecessary risks and making sure he has a lot of chips when it gets 3 handed", etc. She gave commentary on all the game, but at no point anything that specific, nor did she discuss how small stacks or medium stacks should be playing at that point.

On one very big hand, a flop came ace high, one player bet out big, the second one went all-in and hhumbert went into the tank, thinking for a long time. Annie gave some of the most specific info she had given all game saying "If I was humbert, I would want at least AK to call here", at which point he came out of the tank and called the bet. (While the result of the hand is irrelevant, the all-in guy had bottom 2 pair, and when hhumbert caught an ace on the river to eliminate him, Annie said "serves him right!". I swear none of this is made up)."

Here is the whole post:
http://www.thepokerforum.com/forum/ubbth...ite_id/1#import

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so...they didnt pay phil, or it was rigged for phil to win?

its not really clear that they did anything wrong from your post, i dont get it, its rigged cuz daniel didnt want to play it?

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UB was never going to pay a pro anything. That is why Daniel didn't go. A free trip to participate in a publicity stunt wasn't enough to entice Daniel N.

When UB started to get bad publicity, UB paid Phil Gordon and Russ Hamilton was able to say Phil was paid -- end of story.

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This brings me back...not to these times, but rather to the days when I worked a desk job and read through old RPG posts for entertainment. I've forgotten just how awesome GROAN was. Anyone ever figure out who he was?

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This brings me back...not to these times, but rather to the days when I worked a desk job and read through old RPG posts for entertainment.

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So.. I'm still happy and playing my 5c/10c NL at UB. No problems cashing in or out.

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...reallllly interesting...FIVE years ago!

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From NWP.com

TheXFactor
Today, 01:28 PM Post #33
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"Absolute Poker was recently aquired by 1994 WSOP Main Event Champion Russ Hamilton who owns Blast Off Limited (Malta) which also owns UltimateBet.

Russ Hamilton also owns the Ultimate Blackjack Tour and clubUBT.com (the only legal Poker and Blackjack site, actually just a freeroll site that charges $20 a month membership fee).

Phil Hellmuth once said that Russ Hamilton could be worth a billion dollars, that's probably [censored] but he might be worth over $100 million."

I think the ownership of AP/UB is relevant. Russ's actions/non-actions show UB/AP's shady past.

I have had accounts with Paradise, Party,FTP,PokerStars, Sportsbetting.com, Bodog, and WSEX. I have avoided UB because of Russ Hamilton's involvement.

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>But in spite of the fact that in at least one case I
>have good reason to "expose" him, the fact is I won't. At least not until my
>death whereupon a note in my safe deposit box will be read.


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Phil 'hitman' Laak, obviously.

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Not sure who the current owner of record is but Excapsa runs the ub software and they went public then south last year. They didn't fully go bust but the company was sold for a pittiance compnared to what they thought it was worth.

Not sure if Greg Pierson, founder/ceo(ex?) is still involved nor of his relationship w/ Russ Hamilton.

http://www.professional-poker.com/ne...im-listing.htm
http://finance.google.com/finance?cid=704727

Anyone know?