I have set issues
 

At 100BB I have a real problem folding bottom set, particularly on board where villain could be drawing. When I play deep stack live (200+ bb), it's a lot easier to fold to a $500 raise, but online at only 100bb deep, I find a turn fold for 50bb very difficult.

I'm being killed by set over set 1 - 2 times a session lately and I only play a few hours a day.

I pokerstoved this hand and I'm only slightly ahead on the turn if I have villain's range at AA, TT, KdQd, KdJd, Jd9d, ATo. I'm behind on the flop [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

WTF, do I just bail on these hands? It just seems so nitty.

MP is running at 20/11/4 over 100 hands


Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $456.40
BTN: $402
SB: $396
BB: $1,172.85
Hero (UTG): $436.94
MP: $400

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $15</font>, MP calls $15, 4 folds

Flop: ($36) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $25</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $92</font>, Hero calls $67

Turn: ($220) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $100</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $293 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $193

River: ($806) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

<font color="white">
Results: $806 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 5h 5c (three of a kind, Fives) and LOST (-$400 NET)
MP showed Tc Ts (three of a kind, Tens) and WON $803 (+$403 NET) </font>

Re: I have set issues
 

lol @ folding a set at party 2/4 for 100 BBs

actually, lol @ folding a set for 100 BBs period

Re: I have set issues
 

I put him on AA fold flop!!!!!!!

Are you really thinking of folding?????

honestly?

Re: I have set issues
 

not getting away from this hand is a big leak.

Re: I have set issues
 

call this, i also think his range is wider than you make it. Furthermore TT and AA is less likely due to pf action.

Re: I have set issues
 

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not getting away from this hand is a big leak.

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........................................lol?

Re: I have set issues
 

You're getting unlucky lately with sets, dont go weak/tight because of a few coolers.

Re: I have set issues
 

is this a joke? this hand is the freakin nizzles

Re: I have set issues
 

WOW
calling this is aweful [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Re: I have set issues
 

Nooooo.... That's the point. It never even crossed my mind (well maybe for 2 milliseconds, but was quickly tossed).

That hand nearly put me on a massive tilt session. My bottom and middle sets been just crucified lately on what seem to be fairly safe boards (ie. no flushes or apparent str8s).

I just couldn't see this as a leak (I have many others that I know of). I was starting to second guess myself and wanted to hear what 2+2 had to say.

Villain in this hand is running at 70/8/0.4 after 250 hands.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $197.22
BB: $80
UTG: $498.80
MP: $514.70
CO: $90.90
Hero (BTN): $532.10

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $40</font>, Hero calls $18

Flop: ($86) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($86) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $20</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $72</font>, UTG calls $52

River: ($230) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero?

Re: I have set issues
 

fold / sit out / cash out

Re: I have set issues
 

The hand with 55 is fine/standard, I'd probably take it a step further and 3bet the flop. If you lose, you lose, but folding a set for one buyin in this spot is insanity.

As for the TT hand, valuetown the river. $140 seems good.

Re: I have set issues
 

sick spots here

Re: I have set issues
 

i have no idea why people think hand 1 is a sick spot.....wtf

Re: I have set issues
 

good post. i think ur on the right way to improve ur game! people massively overvalue bottom- and middleset !!

Re: I have set issues
 

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fold / sit out / cash out

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Re: I have set issues
 

Wow, just wow.

Re: I have set issues
 

There is no way I fold when 100 bets deep, unless I have mad respect for player, I shove flop

Re: I have set issues
 

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There is no way I fold when 100 bets deep

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i guess we aren't 100 bets deep :O

Re: I have set issues
 

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fold / sit out / cash out

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Re: I have set issues
 

I was at that table, I think I know who you are. You're quite bad.

Re: I have set issues
 

you need to move down a few levels and get a feel for the game of poker. seriously. if you worry about losing 1k then your not ready for this size game w/ your current skill set.

Re: I have set issues
 

i want to get as much money in as possible in both hands. IMO, neither hand is close, there are so few combos that beat you while draws are out there + top pair or 2 pair hands are within his range.

Re: I have set issues
 

I love this site [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. Thanks for the feedback, which was mostly just confirming my own thoughts, but none of my friends play poker, so when I go through a series of coolers and lost coin tosses, I just have to reconfirm my actions.

Hand 1:

o I could have pushed the flop, but I didn't want to risk him folding.

o Folding was never an option. I didn't bet $100 on turn just to fold to a RRAI.

Hand 2:

o I pushed. There was no way villain had AA. Why push??? Cause Villain was a complete nut bar and if he was going to call $200, he'd call $400 and I was not going to fold to a re-raise. He called with J9. Clearly I under bet the turn or should have bet the flop (probably would have got a call anyway).

FWIW, I finished up that session.

Yeah, I'm not very good (ty for pointing that out... very insightful feedback [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] jackass), but I don't entirely suck either. I have never shied away from what appear to be coin flips and I am not playing with scared $.

Okay, now I have to ask. Were any of you actually serious about folding hand 1??

Re: I have set issues
 

Hand 1 plays itself, just get it all in.

Hand 2, raise turn to $100, get it all in on river.

If you worry of oversets you are going to lose a lot of value in the future.

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Re: I have set issues
 

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Were any of you actually serious about folding hand 1??

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No.

Re: I have set issues
 

I see how you got 4000+ posts. You always add this much value to a thread?

Re: I have set issues
 

Unless you FedEx in your reads from [censored] God Himself, you're getting stacked here.

Re: I have set issues
 

Cool. Hand 2 was at the beginning the next day... so no I don't tend to worry about over sets.

Re: I have set issues
 

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Unless you FedEx in your reads from [censored] God Himself, you're getting stacked here.

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Or if you play on Absolute.