mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

we're gonna do this one as a play along if you guys are up for it.

villain is a ft100 reg uNDeFeaTaBLE1, got him running at 19/15/4 thru 190 hands for u stat guys, I dont keep pahud up anymore while playing so I didnt have any of those. all I had at the time was I recognized his sn and that I remembered him being aggro. this was early in the session and I'd just sat down the previous orbit so no recent history.


Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $99
BB: $194.10
UTG: $65.10
MP: $77.40
CO: $103.50
Hero (BTN): $137.50

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.50</font>, Hero ...???

If youre folding, thats fine but gimme a reason. if youre calling, also fine but why?

about to get a session going but will try to check up on this

Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

Why don't you have PAHUD up? seems weird..

Anyway I'm probably calling because a 19/15s calling range from the blinds is usually 22-TT, some high cards. Of the checkraising range you're beaten by, there's only one combo of 88 left, 222 obviously and maybe AQ. You said he's aggro so I'd expect him to checkraise a wide enough range to call here.

Plus you have a backdoor flush draw [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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this seems like a super easy fold on a dry flop vs. a villain w/ no recent history

i don't bet the flop 100% fwiw... but i often do

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nh now fold, until he gives you a reason to believe he's raising you with air here a lot

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I noticed I started to kinda autopilot and base most of my decisions on stats alone rather than focusing on how opponents were actually playing at that time. just felt like it impeded my abilty to adjust and gave me reason to pay less attention than I should. its kinda crazy 8 tabling w/ no stats but its definitely doable.

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You'd better have a plan for all three streets if you want to call here.

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you mean the turn, the river, and the ocean??????????????

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not really. why cant u call/fold turn ui?

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i check the flop a lot here. as played I fold unless he's doing it a lot.

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you mean the turn, the river, and the ocean??????????????

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LDO.

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not really. why cant u call/fold turn ui?

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so you're drawing to a 5 outer (10% to hit on turn)?

what is a call/fold? are you calling or are you folding?

calling cr and calling turn ui seems especially bad on this board w/o history

i assume you called - what happened next?

Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

I'm not saying calling the flop to fold the turn UI is a good line, it was just a possible line. villains total range is fairly wide in this spot but the range of hands that are actually looking for value is quite small.

sets - only 3 combos of 22, 1 combo of 88, 3 combos of QQ but very unlikely since he just called preflop.

top pair - AQ/KQ, definitely possible but I think AQ gets 3bet by this villain a large percentage of the time so it should be discounted somewhat. and while he's aggro, he's not stupid. most regs aren't raising KQ on the flop for value

Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

I hate folding in spots like this were villain is repping such a tiny range of hnds that beat you but w/ no history against a guy w/ tightish stats I'd prolly still fold for teh time being.

Also i'd check flop a decent amount.

Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

I'm with 2Paul2 on this one. I'd fold the first time but def. make a note of this; he is really repping a tight range. Also w/ no history I like your cbet.

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check flop- he's not going to float you OOP

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yeah but my hand is best here a ton and villain can have up to 10 outs w/ a lot of hands

Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

ok, so most everyone wants to fold the flop... I ended up calling as u guys probably guessed. he's just repping such a tight range here and its such a dry flop, I think he expects me to bet/fold here a lot w/out a hand.

so after I tank for a bit on the flop (10-15 secs maybe) he leads out on the turn almost instantly.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $99
BB: $194.10
UTG: $65.10
MP: $77.40
CO: $103.50
Hero (BTN): $137.50

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.50</font>, Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($44.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $35</font>,

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ok, so most everyone wants to fold the flop... I ended up calling as u guys probably guessed. he's just repping such a tight range here and its such a dry flop, I think he expects me to bet/fold here a lot w/out a hand.

so after I tank for a bit on the flop (10-15 secs maybe) he leads out on the turn almost instantly.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $99
BB: $194.10
UTG: $65.10
MP: $77.40
CO: $103.50
Hero (BTN): $137.50

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $18.50</font>, Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($44.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $35</font>,

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lol, i can see where this is going

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lol, i can see where this is going

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not really, I get boned on the river. regardless of results I think between the flop/turn decisions this was probably the most interesting hand i've played in the last month.

Re: mid pair vs. aggro reg
 

i guess i'm spewier than everyone else in this thread, but i call flop intending to shove over a turn bet. villain is repping 22 (of which there are 3 combos) or 88 (only 1 combo). and really not a lot else. i'm just not gonna give a 19/15 credit for being creative enough to turn up with like KQ or something here.

then if he does have the set, my image will be terrific [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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AQ and KQ are a big part of villians range, i dont know why people think he wont cold call with them pf. Id fold flop quickly.

As played if you were ahead on the flop your still ahead so call. This spot shows one of the problem with calling flop though.....your lost.