First hand semibluff
 

First hand of an online $300 MTT with 70 entries and 10 prizes.

Stacks: 3000

10/20, 10 players

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
7 folds, Hero raises to 55, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (120, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 80, BB raises to 240, Hero raises to 850 planning to call a shove.

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I hate it.

If he's shoving you have 8 outs and a re-draw to deal w/

I'd call his c/r and go from there

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I hate this also. If he shoves and you call and subsequently lose you will put it down to 'LAG play to either win or go out quickly'. I don't think it is a reasoned play which fits with his range (which you of course don't know).

I don't even mind folding as calling means you're probably facing a psb on the turn which makes you fold. I call though and re-evaluate a hopefully cheap turn bet.

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I'm with AS here, calling a 5-bet is pure spew.

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any more opinions?

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Even as 2+2's resident Donk, I'd have to disagree with the move.

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he folded.

ok, the move was prolly not a good idea then. my reasoning was that I took a chance to double or bust early (not taking this approach normally) with a high-risk play + that he will often have a hard time continue without JJ+ after my flop 3-bet.

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I'm with AS here, calling a 5-bet is pure spew.

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just fold pre.

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I'm with AS here, calling a 5-bet is pure spew.

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just fold pre.

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I would fold preflop.

To the flop raise, I don't mind a smaller reraise and fold to a 4-bet. Flat calling is also fine. I wouldn't fold to the raise.

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I would fold preflop.



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150 BBs deep, OTB, first hand?

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I would fold preflop.



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150 BBs deep, OTB, first hand?

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You have J9o.

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I would fold preflop.



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150 BBs deep, OTB, first hand?

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You have J9o.

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LOL

preflop is +EV always if you can play after the flop.

i like calling the c/r but people who think 3 betting is terrible are wrong

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betgo if you are decent postflop i'm pretty sure you can open almost any 2 here profitably

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i fold

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is it really that bad of a play?

if I put me in my opponents shoes I cannot see how he can continue comfortable without a very good hand and I price myself in to call an eventual push and can double or bust directly.

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is it really that bad of a play?

if I put me in my opponents shoes I cannot see how he can continue comfortable without a very good hand and I price myself in to call an eventual push and can double or bust directly.

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You're getting like 2:1 on calling the shove, so it's actually not that bad...

Also agree with 3-betting not nec being bad btw.

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I hate it.

If he's shoving you have 8 outs and a re-draw to deal w/

I'd call his c/r and go from there

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I'm with AS here, calling a 5-bet is pure spew.

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just fold pre.

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I would fold preflop.

To the flop raise, I don't mind a smaller reraise and fold to a 4-bet. Flat calling is also fine. I wouldn't fold to the raise.

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but as i said earlier i would just fold pre.

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is it really that bad of a play?

if I put me in my opponents shoes I cannot see how he can continue comfortable without a very good hand and I price myself in to call an eventual push and can double or bust directly.

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As I said, 3-bet less and fold to a 4-bet. You don't have odds to call with the straight draw. If villain 4-bets, he usually has a big hand like 2-pair or a set. It is OK to sometimes fold a draw on the flop. This is not a strong draw, and you should not be looking to go allin with it.

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is it really that bad of a play?

if I put me in my opponents shoes I cannot see how he can continue comfortable without a very good hand and I price myself in to call an eventual push and can double or bust directly.

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As I said, 3-bet less and fold to a 4-bet. You don't have odds to call with the straight draw. If villain 4-bets, he usually has a big hand like 2-pair or a set. It is OK to sometimes fold a draw on the flop. This is not a strong draw, and you should not be looking to go allin with it.

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the main idea was obv not to go all-in, it was to increase my stack with 10% (which I think I do this way the absolute majority of the time), however, I make the raise that big so if he pushes I can comfortable call with close to neutral cEV.

I know its a high variance play and I very seldom go for a quick bust or double but I know many successful players do and it was just some kind of "backup" plan as stated if I dont just pick up the pot.

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I usually make this play....when I'm drinking.

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I think I always open here OTB in the context, it's a pretty profitable spot as long as you don't suck post-flop and aren't calling strong pf raises.

I hate the raise to 850 though.

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however, I make the raise that big so if he pushes I can comfortable call with close to neutral cEV.

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I think raising big purely to get pot odds to call if you're reraised is a very weak argument for picking a raise size. If so, you can open raise 10x with 30 BBs behind to always get pot odds to call etc; you can always create the necessary pot odds if so desired. That is not a reason for choosing a raise size.

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I think raising big purely to get pot odds to call if you're reraised is a very weak argument for picking a raise size. If so, you can open raise 10x with 30 BBs behind to always get pot odds to call etc; you can always create the necessary pot odds if so desired. That is not a reason for choosing a raise size.

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agree w/ soulman, very weak.