nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

villan is 24/18 out of 145 hands...
never seen him done this before..
what do you guys do here?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $115.35
MP: $171.15
Hero (CO): $244.70
BTN: $71.50
SB: $104
BB: $161.65

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $115.35 and is All-In</font>, Hero ? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

Are you seriously thinking of folding this?

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

fist pump etc...

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

He has AK. All you can eat baby.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

You called and he had aces. So what? Don't second guess yourself, you have the best of it the majority of the time here.

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,712,304 games 0.046 secs 37,224,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 82.637% 82.36% 00.27% 1410336 4654.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 17.363% 17.09% 00.27% 292660 4654.00 { KcKd }


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Just kidding, CALL!

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

You have the second best hand ever in un-limited hold'em.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

lol

edit: i might fold this if he has a pfr &lt;= 1 and he hasnt just lost a pot &amp; tilt shoved

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

insta double fist pump

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

haha

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

Each weak same thread. Yes, call 100% of the time.

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edit: i might fold this NEVER

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Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

im not fistpumping or rubbing one out but obv call.

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Each weak same thread. Yes, call 100% of the time.

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insta double fist pump

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Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

you get it in here obv.

The exception is this. If the 24/18 were very solid regular who you had thousands of hands with in which you ran something super nitty like 13/3 or whatever. In that case you could put smart villain on exactly AA. But barring that, get it in.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

OP, if you want to start folding KK for just over 100bb's preflop thats your business, but it will pretty much never be correct to do so, that much i can assure you of.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

I'd fold. I mean, do you really expect him to be shoving anything that we beat?

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

i thought last week was fold. This week is call im lost guys. Its 100bb he obv has AA. big decision.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

He may be setmining and we all know a set beats a lousy pair of kings. Instafold!

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

approaching 300 posts and asking this question...FOLD &amp; QUIT.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

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OP, if you want to start folding KK for just over 100bb's preflop thats your business, but it will pretty much never be correct to do so, that much i can assure you of.

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It there's a 4-bet AI before you have acted this can be defensible.

Like if UTG opens, UTG+1 3-bets, and SB shoves, and there's no history, and both UTG's are reasonably tight and SB isn't too aggro, I could dump KK in the BB.

But if the 4-bet is after you 3-bet, then no, folding for 100BBs is way beyond retarded.

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I'd fold. I mean, do you really expect him to be shoving anything that we beat?

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level?

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I'd fold. I mean, do you really expect him to be shoving anything that we beat?

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level?

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No, this is a level:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...er_level_1.jpg

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Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

I say you should felt this and most of the time you will be ahead preflop. Most is not all times, however in the last week i have been up against 99-QQ AQ-AK, so as you can easily see you will be ahead for the most part by doing this and sometimes it will be aces. Fitness freak is a very good player and coach id listen to what he says.

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

in the card game unlimited texas hold'em poker this would be an instant call

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

oh god...instacall

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

Flat call, re-evaluate on flop

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

why do I even open these threads up anymore?

Re: nl 100, KK facing 4bet shove pre.
 

so silly.