PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

OK - this is NOT a bad beat post. I lost, and I really do not think I could get away from it. But the more I thought about, I started to wonder if a better player would lay this down. Here is the scenario---


51 left with about 2700 runners starting. I am in about 20th position chips wise, with about 250K. New table for me (been here for maybe 1 lap) and it seems very passive (my last table was a push fest). Here is the hand--
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t16000 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t188214)
MP2 (t359142)
MP3 (t76768)
CO (t210758)
Button (t120878)
Hero (t244729)
BB (t329400)
UTG (t478532)
UTG+1 (t286416)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t16000, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls t16000, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t62400) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t16000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t312600</font>, UTG folds, CO folds, Hero calls t211929 (All-In).

Turn: (t602929) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t602929) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t602929

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Tc 7h (three of a kind, tens).
BB has 8c Th (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: BB wins t602929. </font>

Obviously when the flop hit, I was happy, I bet out, hoping for action, got it, insta called, and then was sad...

In reflection, my kicker sucks. Does anyone not call here? One line of thinking would be that this guy is in about the same position as me and woudl he really risk his whole stack on a bluff or over pair? Or am I just being results oriented....

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

I am not good enough to lay this down and I don't think anyone is. Tough to put him on better trips when he makes a ridiculous raise like that. I think this is a flush draw or medium pocket pair much more often. Tough break nothing you can do about it.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

I don't minbet the flop, I make a half pot size bet. Then I call the push and go broke.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

Call all day. Every day

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

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I don't minbet the flop, I make a half pot size bet. Then I call the push and go broke.

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Nath, I normally don't mini bet like this, but this table had been sooo passive, I did not want to spook everyone out. Obviously, we now know the BB aint going anywhere.

Thanks everyone, good to know I was not alone in this one. Sometimes I just need a bit of a reality check to make sure I am are not over thinking things.

I also thought his overbet was rediculous. I guys he was looking to portray that he did not have a 10 by overbetting so badly. Where a smaller raise, would be a bit more suspicious.

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Nath, I normally don't mini bet like this, but this table had been sooo passive, I did not want to spook everyone out.

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I'm not sure how I feel about being confused with nath. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Anyway, with 4 people in the pot, I wouldn't be too worried about spooking them all out. Someone will call with a flush draw or overcards. Make sure you give them incorrect odds to chase the flush.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

If you lay this down ever you don't like money.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

No one considers folding this? Obviously, if you could see his hand you would fold. I don't think you can make a case for anything without a good read on BB. Does BB have any reason to think you are betting without a ten? Well the mini raise could be interpreted as "not a ten". Could BB push with a second 2 A kicker? Only read you have is very passive. I give him credit for the T and fold. Although, It is pretty close.

One other possibility is BB has an overpair. But I rarely see a BB check his option with a big pair. I've seem em cold call a raise, and push the flop no matter what. But I can't remember a BB checking his option with anything that he could push that flop with that you beat.

Best advice on the hand is bet more on flop.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

Results oriented much?

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If by results oriented you mean, understanding how people play and then adjusting. Very much so. If by you mean I called with the best of it and ending up with the worst of it. I try not to be, but sometimes I am for a bit. I went with what was in the OP. Final 57. Passive table. 2 limpers and blinds. FLOP TT2. Mini bet and a push. Tell me what he is pushing given the action? Change any of it and I'm sure I'm paying off.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

I was referring to the OP. I didn't read your post.

Re: PS 3r hand - Would anyone not call this push??
 

bet 2/3-full pot on flop and go broke.

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I'm not sure how I feel about being confused with nath. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Flattered, of course. It shows that people are recognizing your rebuy skills.

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I was referring to the OP. I didn't read your post.

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Ansky - if by being results oriented, you mean by questioning whether or not I made the correct decision based on the results, then no, I am not being results oriented. I am questionin the call I made on the turn and if anyone would lay this down, becuase many times the only way the villian can make a play like this is with hands that could beat me, especially this late in the tourney. Afterall, I only had a 7 kicker. Which means the other ten, if out, beats me more than half the time.

I realize that you may see this as rote and so obvious, but I did not. And, I hope you understand that the only way us mere mortals will improve our games is to doublecheck ourselves in situations like this. Isn't that what these Forums are for???