Double Barrel Bluff...Bad?
 

Villain is 24/18/4.0 reg at 1/2NL on Stars.
Hero ($207), Villain ($512)

Hero raises UTG to $8 with 22. Villain reraises to $26 on the button, hero calls.

Flop: A66 rainbow. Hero bets $45...Villain times down and calls.

Turn: 4 completing rainbow. Hero moves in for $136...Villain times down and calls with QQ.

I was 100% sure he didnt have an Ace...should I crai on flop, give up, or is this line fine?

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what you have?

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fold preflop. c/f flop. Why were you 100% sure he didn't have an A?

Would you ever play AK/AQ or a 6 this way?

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Yes...I would play all those that way...and b/c I have played 10000 hands with this guy and he doesnt reraise with Ax anything unless its AA. Folding pf is a good option...but im getting about 9 to 1 to flop a set and stack him off, and more if I count bluff outs with the Ace.

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pf not good

flop terrible. given the way the games run these days, you'll get called by kk/qq/any ace/etc.

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if you're bluffing this guy because he's been 3-betting you a lot, he's probably going to be aware of his image and realise that you might try and bluff him.

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Yes...I would play all those that way...and b/c I have played 10000 hands with this guy and he doesnt reraise with Ax anything unless its AA. Folding pf is a good option...but im getting about 9 to 1 to flop a set and stack him off, and more if I count bluff outs with the Ace.

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But you stacked off with 22 when the A hit.

Edit: Also, if you play AK/AQ or a 6 that way, it must because you expect to get paid off. If that's the case, how is bluffing with 22 consistent with that line of thinking?

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Would you ever play AK/AQ or a 6 this way?

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Edit: Also, if you play AK/AQ or a 6 that way, it must because you expect to get paid off. If that's the case, how is bluffing with 22 consistent with that line of thinking?


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that doesn't actually matter. You could make a good vb and a good bluff in the same spot. In this case his calling range could be > betting range. So playing AQ/AK/6 for value could be good. However, he still could fold enough to make this a profitable bluff too.


I don't hate the flop op, but you know villain much better then we do. if he 3b light this could be ok. however i should say if you're trying to fold out TT+ you won't. I'd probably give up on the turn though. pf is a definite fold.

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I was 100% sure he didnt have an Ace

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At what point?

How else do you expect him to play an A?

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that doesn't actually matter. You could make a good vb and a good bluff in the same spot. In this case his calling range could be > betting range. So playing AQ/AK/6 for value could be good. However, he still could fold enough to make this a profitable bluff too.

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I agree to a certain extent.

I was trying to illustrate that because he would play TP or trips quickly here, he must think he has a good chance of being paid off. Therefore, he can't expect a bluff to work that often.

With his particular bet, it has to work 45% on the flop. However, maybe this bluff get's you paid off more in the future, which is where there is more value with taking the same line with a made hand as you would with a draw or bluff.

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i understood what you were saying, but i think there's a common misconception that a good vb spot implies a bad bluffing spot. I was just pointing that out. You're right in that it makes a bluff a bit more marginal in this spot.

I agree with your second point, balancing is important here.