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villain is tough regular. can be spewy and overly stationy at times tho. definitely think he has river checkraises in his arsenal. river is still a bet tho right?

Party Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $4,173
SB: $3,950.67
BB: $2,050.67
UTG: $1,901.66

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $70</font>, SB calls $60, BB folds

Flop: ($160) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $130</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $310</font>, Hero calls $180

Turn: ($780) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $500</font>, Hero calls $500

River: ($1,780) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero...

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tricky spot. i would check it down, only hands that u could get value from are AQ and AT and AT probably wouldnt c/r flop. only reason to bet for me would be to induce a shove from his most likely hand - a missed draw but the villian has to be agressive enough to make this profitable.
if u feel like gambling bet 900 and call a shove, this would be a high risk/high reward play.

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i would not bet unless i was calling a check raise.

ok don't flip out, im' leaving your thread.

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i agree with chaoslord, i think a lot of value from your AK bet is from calling a shove from his spazz river CR bluffs.

whether or not u feel that constitutes u betting is ur read on the situation, which is obv better than ours.

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well i dont think im good &gt;50% if he does checkraise so i guess the check behind was good. he had AQ fwiw and would probably have paid off.

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i check, getting into absurdly thin vbets (that beat exactly 1 hand, though a likely one) here vs good players seems bad

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he could have a missed flush draw not just AQ. i would also play 2 pair like villain did here and obv check raise river.

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what if you minbet and call a raise, just so you open up the action for him again in case he was gonna c/r [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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v good post chaos lord

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thought about this hand some more and would appreciate some more feedback. i am leaning towards betting tbh. why in gods name would he checkraise AJ here? would be pretty retarded barring super special history (which we do not have) imo. im gonna check behidn too often for this to be a good c/r spot so yeah i think his range is heavily weighed towards AQ and [censored] like that. i think this might be a bet.

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what is villians name?

against a lot of players I would bet gay for value, like 750

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i think his range is heavily weighed towards AQ and [censored] like that.

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nono, his range is VERY heavily weighted towards missed draws

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id bet like 600 and call a shove

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v good post chaos lord

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i think his range is heavily weighed towards AQ and [censored] like that.

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nono, his range is VERY heavily weighted towards missed draws

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i agree. would you b/c though given luegos read of villains tendency to "spew".

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raptor etc,

do u ever use those wacky bet sizes WITHOUT the intention of calling a shove? does it really work all that well vs good players? i know im not shoving over those bets all that often anyway.

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yea i use those small bets with missed draws when i think my opponent also has a missed draw sometimes.

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bet/call or check.

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id bet like 600 and call a shove

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This is the clear favorite imo.

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id bet like 600 and call a shove

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This is the clear favorite imo.

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ehhh, if opponent is thinking then this is a pretty obvious line these days and he will just fold.

i like betting big the more i think about this one (you can easily fold to a shove here unless you're playing someone crazy like genius). for one, most opponents just bet again most of the time with better hands (sometimes they will go for a c/r but it's not that often, people just aren't that creative generally speaking). second, it's good for balance since you'll probably find yourself in this spot with hands like AJ and missed draws somewhat often and you'd never bet 600 with a missed draw. thirdly, if he had some sort of draw he could have picked up a pair and make a big call, whereas he would usually just fold that pair to $600.

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btw, the above is IF i decide to bet, which i probably do most of the time because i like to bet

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yea i use those small bets with missed draws when i think my opponent also has a missed draw sometimes.

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you nasty post-oak bluff-artist

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I check it, but I am kinda a girl when it comes to v-betting.

SGS

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krantz i am leaning towards agreeing. id appreciate a thick juicy bet of like $1,200 or the likes. safe fold to a c/r ofc.

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id bet like 600 and call a shove

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This is the clear favorite imo.

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uh...isnt a tough regular going to know that this is what youre doing?

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id bet like 600 and call a shove

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This is the clear favorite imo.

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uh...isnt a tough regular going to know that this is what youre doing?

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ur right, id never consider making a bet like this if i missed a draw, i only do it with semi strong but not strong enough made hands to make a big bet. never i say.

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what about going All-in ?
I'm not a high stack player, but I saw that hand which has some simillaries with the previous one... And I really don't know 1) why BTN pushed allin 2) why he wins the hand

SB: $12,888
BB: $3,914
UTG: $15,062
MP: $2,873
CO: $4,825
BTN: $5,748

Pre-Flop:
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $150</font>, SB folds, BB calls $100

Flop: ($325) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $300</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $600</font>, BTN calls $300

Turn: ($1,525) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $450</font>, BTN calls $450

River: ($2,425) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $4,548 and is All-In</font>, BB calls $2,714 and is All-In

Results: $7,853 Pot ($3 Rake)
BB mucked and LOST (-$3,914 NET)
BTN showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Deuces) and WON $7,850 (+$3,936 NET)

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nono, his range is VERY heavily weighted towards missed draws

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QFT.

i'm shocked that villian showed up with AQ here.
i def think there is value left on the river and unless this guy is super tough/good i think he leads all rivers with hands that beat you.

i also think that if this guy is good/aggro enough to CR bluff the river you have to bet/call cuz his line so reeks of a missed draw.

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I would only be remotely concerned with betting here if my opponent is creative enough to c/r all in with 2 pairs or a set on the river. I think his line looks very like a draw so my bet would be to induce a bluff c/r.