NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Villian is an astonishing 90/41/1.43 over 22hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($19.95)
CO ($9.15)
Hero ($11)
SB ($12.20)
BB ($2.25)
UTG ($13.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.45) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.45) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.1</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.6</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $13.35 (All-In)</font>, Hero ?

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

I'd fold and wait for a better spot to bust him, althought i think he might do this with a str8 aswell as with any lower flush.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Yes, easy fold.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

i am NEVER folding this.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Why aren't you raising pf?

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Call this. Folding is just unbelievably weak-tight.

Villain overplays ANY set, ANY two-pair, ANY straight. Against such an agro donkey, going all-in for massive value is the only option.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Fold, you're not invested yet and you could easily still be behind.

Pick a better a spot.

Ps. why did you call? preflop raise or fold.
Essentially you got a flush which you wanted with your cards and now you still don't know were you are.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

I'd fold at this point. Like above poster said, you don't have much invested in the pot, and you can pick another time. IMO, not worth the risk.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

"Villian is an astonishing 90/41/1.43 over 22hands."

Sure it's only 22 hands so the agression factor tells us nothing but he has seen 20/22 hands which means he's a moron. Because of that, I think he can have a lot of holdings here and I snap call. With those stats he can have anything and he probably thinks any flush is the nuts too, so you could even have a higher flush. Bottom line being that you can't fold the 4th nuts to a moron like this.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

There's no way he has a better flush often enough for you to fold this. Waiting for a better spot is really bad, how long do you think a 90 VPIP is going to stick around? Calling is obviously +EV and those chips are going to be donked off one way or another, might as well be to you.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

villan is agro monkey I dont see how you can ever fold this I mean what better spots are you looking for than this agianst someone this loose and agro?

and call me crazy but 6max Im not thinking about flush over flush much for 100BB

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Wow. So many people say to fold this hand. You guys are way too weak tight. EASY call here. If he has it, too bad and reload.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

You don't even have a low flush. 9 high is 4th nuts here.

He's showing up with a set, A:clubs:Xx, or a lower flush often enough to insta-call this, without any regrets.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Mh alright, so general consensus is call?

oh and regarding preflop, why is calling so bad? dont suited connectors(well one gapper here) want multiway pots or am i way off now ?

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

calling/rasing here are both fine. reason for raising these loose players is that it makes a bigger pot and makes it easier to win a huge pot when you hit with a SC. But at 10NL people stack of pretty light anyways so its not like it is an auto raise in this spot both are +ev IMO.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Yeah, I think preflop is fine as well. Isolating yourself against a calling station with 9 high is iffy anyways, especially when they're willing to busto themselves in limped pots with weak holdings.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

I'm definitely calling this, especially as the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is on the board

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Wow, this is such an easy call. A 90/41? There's no way I ever lay this down. Add in the fact that there are only three hands that beat yours, and villain does this with a set, straight, or possibly even 2 pr (keep in mind, he doesn't put YOU on the flush, which in his mind makes it a good play to massively overbet the pot to keep you out). Don't you think a lower flush would make a more normal raise?

P.S I don't mind the call.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Anyone who says to fold is an idiot.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Easiest call ever? Even if he'ld have a flush, it's probably 3c6c or something...

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Does anyone bet the flop here? Your IP and everyone's checked... this is usually an autobet for me.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

If you fold here... what was your reason for calling preflop? with 97s, you can't possibly be hoping for a straight flush, full house, quads? You called because you had position on both CO and UTG, where UTG is obviously not position aware... or hand aware for that matter. You're also looking for a flush, straight, or 2 pair at least to crush UTG. CO is out, UTG could even be semi bluffing with A(non club) X(clubs), there's too many hands that you beat, you're putting UTG on too small a range of hands.

Milky: I would bet out on the flop.

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Does anyone bet the flop here? Your IP and everyone's checked... this is usually an autobet for me.

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sure I bet flop

and this is a call

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

W.T.F.

SNAP CALL plz , i mean , real SNAP , like , break ur mouse.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

this is def not a fold.. its a raise or call... with an aggro player like this his range could really be anything.. imo..... not a fold.. easy call for me to make in this spot

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

if you play weak tight like this all time you will be pushed out of every pot for fear of the nuts...

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

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Does anyone bet the flop here? Your IP and everyone's checked... this is usually an autobet for me.

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sure I bet flop

and this is a call

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Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Why does this post have so many replies?


Calling or raising pre-flop are both fine.

I probably bet the flop....everyone checked + 12 outs, an 8 makes a straight as well as clubs making a flush.

Turn is of course a call with the fist pump being optional.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Im playing NL25 for the most part but im also playing NL10 a lot , and i cant believe the numbers of people who want to fold this hand.Its unbelievable.Grow some balls plz.

I really dont want to be rude but you should quit 6 max to play full ring.

Its weird , i dont even know what to say for the strategy part.
Lets try...
You have a villain who is playing every hand for a small sample , its NL10 , you have a flush with only 3 clubs on board and no boat possible , this maniac shove and now you got a decision.And this decision is a call.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

I'm not betting this flop ever. You have almost no equity to gain from people folding (3 people on a drawy board). Even if everyone does fold, you'll win a small pot. It's much better to check behind and hope to spike a club that makes a good second best hand for one of your opponents - i.e. gives them bottom two, a straight, etc. In addition, you really can't take a substantial check-raise here; at least, you'd much rather not have to call one.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

The idea of betting the flop is intereseting, i opted against it because it was a very loose table so i thought my FE would be close to 0 and building a pot with 9 high isnt really cool :P

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

UTG got some combo-pair draws a lot of time

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Result???

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

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Result???

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Result in white:

<font color="white">Hero calls $10.30, and is all in
Villian shows [Qc 8c]
Hero shows [9c 7c]
Uncalled bet of $2.35 returned to Villain
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ac Jc 2c] [Qd]
Hero shows a flush, Ace high
Villain shows a flush, Ace high
Villian wins the pot ($20.25) with a flush, Ace high

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Just quick offtopic here:

Im more used to fullring and just recently switched to nl10 and lost like 11stacks over 1000hands, is that normal variance or am i just doing it wrong?

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

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Result???

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Result in white:

<font color="white">Hero calls $10.30, and is all in
Villian shows [Qc 8c]
Hero shows [9c 7c]
Uncalled bet of $2.35 returned to Villain
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ac Jc 2c] [Qd]
Hero shows a flush, Ace high
Villain shows a flush, Ace high
Villian wins the pot ($20.25) with a flush, Ace high

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Just quick offtopic here:

Im more used to fullring and just recently switched to nl10 and lost like 11stacks over 1000hands, is that normal variance or am i just doing it wrong?

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Not normal.

Obviously, any down- or upswing in poker can be the result of variance, but 11 BI in 1000 hands is really statistically unlikely at these stakes.

Question: How many of those 11 did you have one pair hands? IMO, overvaluing TP is one of the biggest leaks in microstakes.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

id probably either raise or fold pf. And how can you even consider foldin the turn, I snap call everytime.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

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Not normal.

Obviously, any down- or upswing in poker can be the result of variance, but 11 BI in 1000 hands is really statistically unlikely at these stakes.

Question: How many of those 11 did you have one pair hands? IMO, overvaluing TP is one of the biggest leaks in microstakes.

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Looking at my PT stats, 5 buyins lost with one pair, just too used to everest NL10 where getting money in with tptk(or even tpgk is +ev since ppl are ready to stack off with tpnk or even midpar).
2.5 buy ins down with 2pair(one of those was 150bb top 2pair vs set all in)
And another 2buy ins from flushes(the one in this hand and another one where it was straight flush vs ace nutflush :P)

Guess if I ever play at full tilt again(done with pso bonus and blown all funds on there :P) ill have to adjust to less fishy players...

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

maybe dig up some of those hands where you stacked off with TPTK and post them?

There are times when it's fine, and there are times when it's not. Distinguishing between the two is a huge skill for being a successful NLHE player.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

Bet the flop and instacall this turn shove.

Re: NL 10 - Turned low flush, easy fold?
 

easy call IMO. villain is an over-aggro donk waiting to give his chips away, he just offered them to you, take them.