Not folding set here either? NL800
 

Seat 1: Hero ($788.00)
Seat 3: arwas ($1563.90)
Seat 4: Villian ($1132.20)
Seat 5: -ALIAS- ($825.00)

Villian posts the big blind of $8.00
arwas posts the small blind of $4.00

Hero is the button

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]

-ALIAS- raises $32.00
Hero calls $32.00
arwas folds
Villian calls $32.00

*** FLOP *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]

Villian checks
-ALIAS- bets $72.00
Hero calls $72.00
Villian calls $72.00

*** TURN *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Villian checks
-ALIAS- checks
Hero bets $215.00
Villian calls $215.00
-ALIAS- folds

*** RIVER *** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Villian puts me AI. It´s 470:1216 or 2.6:1.

Villian is completely unknown. He called pretty fast on both streets. Do I have the odds to call?

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Terrible card. This line makes no sense for anything other than a draw.

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with no reads I dont think I could fold this. It is certainly a bad card and completes the straight and Jx diamonds, but idk I think you are good here sometimes, it just really depends on the villain, and with no reads i dont think you can fold

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Bleh player dependant. Im betting more on the turn. Sometimes ill give them credit and fold if i havent seen them making too much trouble. No read first hand vs new player, think i fold.

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3 bet pre, rr flop with no read. call river, but im not liking it.

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i dont like RR pre

furthermore RAISE FLOP, end hand because you will be allin on turn

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Hand looks good, and I would fold river.

I just can't think of any hands he'd turn into a bluff here, besides, people don't often represent straights and backdoor flushes.

Raising the flop can be fine, but this is a pretty great spot to slowplay a little. With two left to act on a really dry board, anybody you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead, besides, you have two streets left, no need to rush it.

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Raise the flop, slowplaying here sucks. I actually almost cried at reading the statement "anyone you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead", simple poker odds must have been reinvented overnight.

As played fold river, this is T9 or JdXd way too often.

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Also, if Villain has straight/flush, he played this in like, the worst possible way.

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Hand looks good, and I would fold river.

I just can't think of any hands he'd turn into a bluff here, besides, people don't often represent straights and backdoor flushes.

Raising the flop can be fine, but this is a pretty great spot to slowplay a little. With two left to act on a really dry board, anybody you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead, besides, you have two streets left, no need to rush it.

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Also, if Villain has straight/flush, he played this in like, the worst possible way.

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T9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] played it optimally.

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Calling this flop is perfectly okay. I mean there is only one draw, no need to raise and allow worse hands to fold. If the preflop raiser has an overpair, its too easy to him get a away from that on the flop. I should have probably bet more on turn. On the river he has straight/backdoor flush so often, but decided to call for just the chance his retarded, and its 4-handed.

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T9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] played it optimally.

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I think the river shove is gross. That's all I hate.

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He had TJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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I call. that is all

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Hand looks good, and I would fold river.

I just can't think of any hands he'd turn into a bluff here, besides, people don't often represent straights and backdoor flushes.

Raising the flop can be fine, but this is a pretty great spot to slowplay a little. With two left to act on a really dry board, anybody you can get to tag along is usually drawing dead, besides, you have two streets left, no need to rush it.

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i agree, though you do see people show up with smaller sets/2p here too, so I think it is a very close decision.

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J10 diamonds didn't play it that badly...fold river though, rest is fine.