AA + 200bb + Vomit
 

Villain is 20/16/4 thru 800 hands. Decent player ime, no recent history.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $421.65
UTG: $194
MP: $38.80
CO: $348.55
BTN: $217.20
SB: $1,032.35

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, MP calls $7, CO calls $7, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $31, CO calls $31

Flop: ($122) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $84</font>, MP calls $0.80 and is All-In, CO calls $84

Turn: ($290.80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $226.55 and is All-In</font>,


fwiw, i tanked the turn and he pretty much instashoved

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Fold...he likely has a set and didn't want to play it too transparent.

You'll also get to see it, which is nice.

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edit - wait.

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He has a set.

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Put him on KK and call obv.

Edit : oh wrong dude. Yeah, he has a set. Call if you're good at hitting 2 outers.

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He has a set 100% of the time.

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Put him on KK and call obv.

Edit : oh wrong dude. Yeah, he has a set. Call if you're good at hitting 2 outers.

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hes 3b KK pf.

EDIT: OMG! way to edit when i call you out for being a donk!!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Thanks, guess i got leveled. He had T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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lol...buddylist.

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What you guys do if he bets $110? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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What you guys do if he bets $110? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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minraise and fold to a shove probably

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Thanks, guess i got leveled. He had T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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I'd berate him for the rest of the session. What's his s/n?

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Rofl did he win the preflop money vs the shortie aswell?

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shorty had KJ and whiffed and his name is Cheters23

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Did I get leveled in this thread?

I never fold here.

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Did I get leveled in this thread?

I never fold here.

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Did you see CO cc PF then cc the 3bet? I put him on 77 and 99 way more than an AQ here.

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Did I get leveled in this thread?

I never fold here.

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ok good I thought I was the worst player ever or something.

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Board: Qd 7s 9c 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.354% 35.35% 00.00% 280 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 64.646% 64.65% 00.00% 512 0.00 { 99, 77, AQs, 97s, 86s, AQo }



dont fold

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Did I get leveled in this thread?

I never fold here.

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Did you see CO cc PF then cc the 3bet? I put him on 77 and 99 way more than an AQ here.

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REALLY?! I put him on 9Thh.

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Board: Qd 7s 9c 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.354% 35.35% 00.00% 280 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 64.646% 64.65% 00.00% 512 0.00 { 99, 77, AQs, 97s, 86s, AQo }



dont fold

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We're only ahead of one hand here (AQ) and I doubt he cc pf w/ it given his stats and shoves the turn with it as I think a lot of these players will check turn behind.

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I'm confused, what did you expect him to do besides bet when you checked the turn?

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Board: Qd 7s 9c 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.354% 35.35% 00.00% 280 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 64.646% 64.65% 00.00% 512 0.00 { 99, 77, AQs, 97s, 86s, AQo }



dont fold

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awfully convenient of you to include all combos of AQ

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It's not 200bb, it's 175.

Also, don't check the turn.

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This is a fold, but its also a pretty balla play by CO.

Once you know hes good enough to do this, it becomes a call.

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This is a fold, but its also a pretty balla play by CO.

Once you know hes good enough to do this, it becomes a call.

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No, it's a terrible play because jk3a is about to check/pwn him so often that it overwhelms the times he checks back and loses to a rivered pair.

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This is a fold, but its also a pretty balla play by CO.

Once you know hes good enough to do this, it becomes a call.

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No, it's a terrible play because jk3a is about to check/pwn him so often that it overwhelms the times he checks back and loses to a rivered pair.

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No, it's a balla play because jk3a is about to fold AA-KK!

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It's not 200bb, it's 175.

Also, don't check the turn.

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someone hijack your account? what range do you think he calls with if I bet/shove the turn? so -EV, not funny

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This is a fold, but its also a pretty balla play by CO.

Once you know hes good enough to do this, it becomes a call.

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No, it's a terrible play because jk3a is about to check/pwn him so often that it overwhelms the times he checks back and loses to a rivered pair.

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No, it's a balla play because jk3a is about to fold AA-KK!

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But the fact remains, he got check/pwnd. I doubt he ever folds it there tbh.

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This is a fold, but its also a pretty balla play by CO.

Once you know hes good enough to do this, it becomes a call.

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No, it's a terrible play because jk3a is about to check/pwn him so often that it overwhelms the times he checks back and loses to a rivered pair.

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No, it's a balla play because jk3a is about to fold AA-KK!

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I shall call it..."spewtastic brilliance!"

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It's hard to say since I've seen the results, but I'm pretty sure I'm not folding here. It'd be different if the turn went bet/raise or even if the flop went bet/raise.

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I WOULDN'T FOLD A9 IN JK3A'S SPOT!

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call, he probably has a pair + gutshot.

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In villains defense his preflop play was standard, flop call was questionable as he only has one pair and no draws and your preflop 3bet range is AA-JJ,AK; he could expect to be ahead of MP but not you. That said when you check the turn your hand range is AA,KK,JJ,AK (your hand really doesn't look like QQ), if he pushes he's folding out your JJ and AK so I really don't think his turn play was that donktastic as you have JJ,AK more often than you have AA,KK. Its still a -EV bluff.

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Does everyone realize A9=AA except the 5% of the time he spazzes out and pushes Q/x?

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Does everyone realize A9=AA except the 5% of the time he spazzes out and pushes Q/x?

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I normally agree strongly with your posts, but with all due respect, this is ridiculous. This is also why we shouldn't post results. My fault.

Just because he showed up with a worse hand here does not mean that a call is +EV. We could obv. call in the future with this read. You can't just say, OMG call call call without saying....this is what I think his range is, this is how I think it is weighted.

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So you would fold A9, but call with AA?

I didn't mention EV in my post at all [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I highly doubt he shoves anything between Q/x and 9/T more than 5-10% of the time.

I also don't think he shoves AQ here.

I also would personally call with A9+.

Anything worse than A9 I think gets into -EV territory just because he'll do a stupid "bluff shove" with some random PP or bottom pair and be ahead.

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I wold snap fist pump call AA here, and cal JJ/TT without a hesitation.

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I definitely see people, decent players even, shoving AQ here, especially AsQs. I'd snapcall this on the turn BTW, you'll be surprised by what you see so often (as you were in the actual hand). People do stupid things in 3-bet pots.

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I definitely see people, decent players even, shoving AQ here, especially AsQs. I'd snapcall this on the turn BTW, you'll be surprised by what you see so often (as you were in the actual hand). People do stupid things in 3-bet pots.

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Why would anyone shove AQ on the turn without some SERIOUS metagame, "to protect against the 3 outs AK has"?

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I haven't read the thread but he probably has 99, 77, AQs/AQo, KQs most often which makes this a call to begin with. The insta-shove probably makes things closer to a fist pump call since I rarely think he's going to decide to insta push the turn with the set if you check.