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Villain is 21/16/3. My image is pretty similar.

UTG: $1,600.40
CO: $394
BTN: $318.63
SB: $788
Hero (BB): $400

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $16</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $14, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($48) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($48) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $35</font>, UTG calls $35, SB folds

River: ($118) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $125</font>

Who's calling river? Does he have KQss every time?

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I think he would bet a strong draw like KQss on the flop, but without no reads it's tough to know here. But a flush is def a big part of his range, can't see any other made hands that we beat taking this line. Looks like a draw who wants to draw cheaply in a multiway pot. What hands play this passively yet bluff this river? I fold.

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he c-bets a flush draw there almost everytime. i think i call.

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espescially a hand like QKs. he bets, and then goes all-in over the top with that many outs.

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fold

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Anyone else b/f?

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[censored] yes, i would check this river approximately 0% of the time. i still can't figure out why you didn't bet?

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bet flop.

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I should have asked this: what hand other than 2 spades is he calling the turn with that he's not just checking behind on that river? I don't see him making a value overbet without the flush there on the river.

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Looks like a fold. He's not value betting for over the pot with worse, so it would have to be a bluff, but I doubt he has air because he probably bets the flop and definitely folds the turn with air. A set or AQ raises the turn. QT probably checks behind or bets less. I don't think he necessarily has to always bet the flop with flush draw, especially with an Ace on board which could cause him to get raised. Turn call and river overbet really make sense for a flush given you probably have to be strong to bet into that board. I'd say most likely flush or maybe something like KQ turned into bluff, maybe KJ but doubt he bets that much.

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bet flop.

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He obviously didn't want to donk bet, and assumed UTG would bet a good amount of the time. Flop is fine.

I like a b/f on river so much more than checking like fees said.

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Anyone else b/f?

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me [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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if you read previous post ignore.

i think it's a fold but i probs call.

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I would fold.

Also what site is this on? If it's PP are you by chance atta72 or something like that?

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probs 8s9s or 45s making a very thin value overbet

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QQ?

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probs 8s9s or 45s making a very thin value overbet

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How is that thin?

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Pretty easy fold.

But I tend to fold pre-flop. I don't like to play hands that have bad reverse implied odds sandwiched in a raised pot. And I also tend to just lead into the pre-flop raiser on the flop as well (but I mix leading into pre-flop raisers a lot).

Pretty sure he has low SC flush draw that he didn't want to get blow off of on the flop. Maybe he has KJo and thought you might bet river, so he didn't want to blow you off on the turn.

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Bet the flop. As played you can probably fold the river. FWIW your post title is misleading. Yes it's an overbet but it's essentially a PSB, usually these threads are shoves of like $425 into $170.

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Call and win.

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bet flop.

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He obviously didn't want to donk bet, and assumed UTG would bet a good amount of the time. Flop is fine.

I like a b/f on river so much more than checking like fees said.

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flop is not very good.
action killers on turn.

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he prob bets spades and def other big hands on a checked through flop. To me, it seems like a small overbet like that is just trying to represent the flush and he could be turning some weak pair hands into bluffs (this is logical btw because even though he mightve called the turn expecting to be ahead, it would still be profitable to bluff off a part of ur range that beats him on such a scary card). I think kq, qj and j9s take this line a decent amount of the time.

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making such a small overbet just seems to be trying to really represent strength. I would prob b/f the river though instead of c/c, cause i def dont think he raises a bet on the river as a bluff very often with that river

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Why are people checking flop? To CR?
I bet flop.

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bet flop. a strong ace will raise here most of the time because the board is pretty drawy and you can get it in on the flop. also, turn can bring a lot of cards that either kill your hand or kill the action (say the turn is a spade or a J, now your left in a situation where any bet puts you in awkward situations). as played though, A10 is almost AK here but not quite and it boils down to current table dynamics. i wouldn't hate either calling or folding here.

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Does he have KQss every time?

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No.

Folding PF seems super nitty to me, freak. A pretty good suited Ace three way with good relative position has got to be a profitable spot here. Your top pair hands will be tricky, but such is life. I guess I can see folding weaker suited aces, but I'd probably call those too.

Flop is fine. Leading is ok, but you get a free cbet most of the time if you check, and a guy in the middle, so that's pretty nice. It depends a bit on your history with that play, and observed plays. Some guys will raise that flop bet most times, but this being a 3 way pot, I think a lead will look pretty strong for most players.

Betting the river is far superior to checking. His most likely hands are a weak ace or a pair worse than an A, with a flush far behind. If he raises, you can probably fold comfortably.

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probs 8s9s or 45s making a very thin value overbet

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How is that thin?

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LOL.

B/F river please.