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Villain is solid player, and this game is an anomaly as poker games go. 40% of the players can have ATC at any time....literally. My image is tight and I am stuck a couple of buy-ins mainly due to flopping 2nd nut flush. Game is generally loose passive with 4+ seeing flop regardless of raise pre.

Hero is SB w/ 6c7c.

UTG minraises to 10, 4 calls (cant remember exact order), villain raises OTB to 50.

Hero calls(?) All fold.

Flop: 5s6h8c

Hero?

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c/r the flop, cap it if he 3bets

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stack sizes mean something here.

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stack sizes mean something here.

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Sorry. Hero ~400
Villain 300ish

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stack sizes mean something here.

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Sorry. Hero ~400
Villain 300ish

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wow fold pf

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cr flop?

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seems like a crystal clear c/r all in

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wow fold pf

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That too

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Easy fold preflop, as played c/r all-in, you are never folding this hand with these stacks anyway.

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seems like a crystal clear c/r all in

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wow fold pf

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That too

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LOL..this was the discussion...and I indeed c/r all in.

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Easy fold preflop

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No, not really in this game.

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Easy fold preflop

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No, not really in this game.

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Explain yourself.

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Easy fold preflop

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No, not really in this game.

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Explain yourself.

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A few good players try to (frequently) take advantage of all the passives, villain is one of those. So, his range is wide. The game is hard to crack.

Also, if villain indeed has a big hand, he has a tendency to pay.

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So, his range is wide

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and this helps us how? you're planning on bluffing a lot? what about when one or two other guys come along, which they almost always will?

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lol no

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Jim,
I was basically taking a shot to recoup. Once the flop came, I thought c/r all in was the play since I did the same to villain earlier with set over.

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and this helps us how? you're planning on bluffing a lot? what about when one or two other guys come along, which they almost always will?

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What is our equity HU against an overpair on the flop?



But I welcome you to come and play (Calhoun, GA) and see.

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The above is sincere...Jim how would you have played?

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Agree with previous posters, never call preflop here.

Once you see that flop though its as pretty as you can ask for and get it allin, preferably a c/r.

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What is our equity HU against an overpair on the flop?

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This question isn't important. The question is how often we outflop and overpair, or flop a profitable draw. The answer is not nearly often enough. ~5 or 6%

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Jim how would you have played?

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I would have folded PF without much thought.

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Results?

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god this thread sucks

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Easy fold preflop

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No, not really in this game.

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Explain yourself.

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A few good players try to (frequently) take advantage of all the passives, villain is one of those.

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So you call from the blinds with SCs and 200BBs? I dont get it. Aren't you making yourself just another "passive" with this play?

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Results?

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I shove, villain thinks for about 15 sec and calls. I turn a 4, villain windmill slammed his KK [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

I understand folding pre is standard. But for the last month or so, standard and proper's not getting it. My image borders on weak-tight (horrible run of cards) and I figured to stack him if I hit. It was a little tilty fishing call.

I welcome advice on adjusting ranges in a game where you can't bluff (especially pre), and a couple of villains can have ATC at any time. I am probably running about 10/8/1 or some sh** over the last month.

A couple of memorable hands:
Ep raises to 15 pre, 5 callers, I call button w/ KJo. Flop is KhJc3s. EP bets 30 folds to me, I raise to 100, EP calls. Turn 6h, EP c/c 175. River 8h, EP bets 30...I LOL call...villain has Jh2h.

I raise 3 limpers in LP to 30 with QQ, 2 callers. Flop is 358 rainbow. I bet 75, 1 caller. Turn is a J, villain c/c 150. River is a 4 and I check behind villain's A2o.

These hands are typical of the play in this game, not exceptions. I also am running into reverse odds w/sc in position multiway quite frequently and I am pulling my hair out. I probably just suck [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img].

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youre putting like 1/6 of the effective stack in preflop with 6 high and telling people who are trying to explain pot and implied odds to you that you're wrong. yes you hit your dream flop and are basically a coinflip with an overpair. definitely happens enough of the time to be essentially pot commited when you hit any piece due to stacksizes. i honestly think you should move down until you learn concepts like position and odds and i dont mean that in a mean way.

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Easy fold preflop

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No, not really in this game.

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Explain yourself.

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7's are wild LDO.

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youre putting like 1/6 of the effective stack in preflop with 6 high and telling people who are trying to explain pot and implied odds to you that you're wrong. yes you hit your dream flop and are basically a coinflip with an overpair. definitely happens enough of the time to be essentially pot commited when you hit any piece due to stacksizes. i honestly think you should move down until you learn concepts like position and odds and i dont mean that in a mean way.

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Hi. Did you see the part where I said the call was tilty and fishing? Or that I get that folding pre is standard? You are welcome to bring your ABC game and give it a whirl.

I was basically trying to see how egregious the preflop call was and if c/r flop was ok. Preflop equity seemed ok

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.228% 67.03% 00.20% 257086560 770046.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 32.772% 32.57% 00.20% 124929444 770046.00 { 76s }

And the implied odds didn't seem too far off (according to this thread).

I am not saying anyone is wrong. I am trying to adjust in a maniacal game and get my thoughts in the right direction.

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you have to be a gimmick.

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you have to be a gimmick.

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Why?

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"And the implied odds didn't seem too far off (according to this thread)."
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This means that our preflop bet size should be 6.5% of the effective stack for the average situation as compared to 7.5% for PP’s. Until someone tears apart my estimates, I will use a 4/8 rule for SCs instead of the 5/10 rule for PP’s.

17% is not 4%.
im sure i come off like a dick and i dont really mean to. but you have no idea about alot of basic foundational concepts. pm me if ud like to conitnue the convo

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