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Villain is a bad lag, ghost_crab for those of you who play on party. We have some history and he probably sees me as a pretty straight forward tagish player.

do you ppl valuebet the river here?

Party Poker, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 3 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $2,553
BTN: $911.10
Hero (SB): $2,070

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $70</font>, BB calls $50

Flop: ($140) 6http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $90</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $220</font>, Hero calls $130

Turn: ($580) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($580) Qhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $450</font>

Re: too thin vb? 10/20..
 

Woha, hell noes.

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i'd rather bet the turn than the river.

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what the hell are you trying to get value out of? 87?

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You likely have villian beat. That said, villian is likely only calling turn or river with hands that have you beat, or a draw that just got there. (w/ history some villians might call you down lighter than that with a 6 or 3, but I don't think this is the situation here.)

I like checking it down. If he bets river, I call.

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i'd rather bet the turn than the river.

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would u bet/call tho?

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ghost crab is terrible so i know why you want to bet... but i still think he folds too many of the hands youre trying to get a call out of to make this a good idea.

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i don't think this is terrible. not a big fan, but i dont think it's tooo bad.

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ghost crab is terrible so i know why you want to bet... but i still think he folds too many of the hands youre trying to get a call out of to make this a good idea.

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Isnt he bad in the way that you would want to check everything on the river though? and call.

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I agree. I think as long as you're mixing up your play enough then you can still get value from some hands at this river. You got to assume any hand he has that has decent showdown value will be checked behind at river so I think theres more value in betting than check/calling

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This hand is very villian dependent. I do not know, this villian.

Some "bad lags' might call this river with a 6 or 3.

1. What % of the time does he show up with a made draw here? How much of his range does a draw make up?
2. How light does he peel and call down?

I bet this sometimes and check it sometimes. A value bet is only for value, if the villian calls with worse most times.

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i don't think this is terrible. not a big fan, but i dont think it's tooo bad.

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these were basically my thoughts

Re: too thin vb? 10/20..
 

Not too thin, but better to c/c since he has like 5 high a lot, and the Q is a good bluff card.

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Not too thin, but better to c/c since he has like 5 high a lot, and the Q is a good bluff card.

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i dont mind it at all against him, he has like k6 alot here but the bet is very player specific. if u check i actually think that folding if he bets might be best.

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i think the bet is fine, even if its hard to get paid off by worse

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i dislike it more than others, although I still don't hate it. I think 87 folds a lot, and I think 97 is calling a lot

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Hmm, I had the same thing in mind as Isura... I think c/c is getting you more value since a good part of his range missed and he might bluff the Q after checking the turn and river thinking he might get you off a 6/8 and he isn't calling much with worse hands although this might be read dependant because I recall somebody saying he thinks it's a good play against this particular villain...

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ghost crab is terrible so i know why you want to bet... but i still think he folds too many of the hands youre trying to get a call out of to make this a good idea.

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Isnt he bad in the way that you would want to check everything on the river though? and call.

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ghost crab is terrible so i know why you want to bet... but i still think he folds too many of the hands youre trying to get a call out of to make this a good idea.

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Isnt he bad in the way that you would want to check everything on the river though? and call.

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yeh. thats sorta what i was getting at.

Re: too thin vb? 10/20..
 

Seems like a standard spot to CC with people shooting alot of missed [censored] here. Dunno if he is so bad that you can VB here, doubt it, but dunno.