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1st - congratulations SG for sat'ing into the trny -

For anyone who doesn't know, the FTOPS Razz event is Nov 8th at 9pm with a $300 buy-in. (plus $22 for FT natch)

Naturally, I'd love to play. But a poor micro-player in a slump hasn't got 3 hundred - or even the $69+6 for one of the MTT Razz sats.

But they do have an $11 SnG and a $24+2 SnG and I found an FTP MTT for it that I had enough points to play. ALL NLHE.

Hence, the whining.

I'm going to go whine at FT now. Anyone care to join me?

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Didn't know about this. I guess it is part of the FTOPS. I plan on playing.

Played the WCCOP and 2nd chance razz events. Didn't do that well, which suprised me, since I beat the 15/30 or so games on FT.

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Isn't there a $40 sng (razz) for FTOPS razz? That's the cheapest razz event I've seen. If anyone wants to back me, I'm taking offers [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I'm pissed because this is the night before the final presentation of my training program and the WCOOP razz event was on one of 4 fridays during the entire 5 months we haven't gotten out by 4:30. Didn't anyone in the WCOOP have a job?

-ChipsAhoya

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The last three FTOPS didn't have Razz events at all. So I'm just glad they haven't done away with them forever.

Also, Hi/Lo for the first time is nice.

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Thanks prax, I jumped on the first satellite they offered and beat the humongous field of 6. I agree there should be some medium-sized field satellites for $10-20 but they may wait till it's a little closer to the event since they have to get enough runners in it for at least a $322 prize pool.

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Thanks prax, I jumped on the first satellite they offered and beat the humongous field of 6. I agree there should be some medium-sized field satellites for $10-20 but they may wait till it's a little closer to the event since they have to get enough runners in it for at least a $322 prize pool.

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Well, I'm hoping whining at them - uh - making an intelligent and well-reasoned argument - will influence this. PStars didn't have anything but NLHE for for people either until the end.

Yeah, Rusty, the SnG is razz, but for me, it's easier to win a seat in a big MTT because I don't have to win-win, just get close as they often award multiple entries. AND the competition doesn't tend to be as tough.

I suppose some who played the WCOOP must have had day jobs, but there was enough money at stake for one sickday call!

Oh well, I'll rail all o' ya - RAH! GO TEAM!

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Thanks prax, I jumped on the first satellite they offered and beat the humongous field of 6. I agree there should be some medium-sized field satellites for $10-20 but they may wait till it's a little closer to the event since they have to get enough runners in it for at least a $322 prize pool.

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Well, I'm hoping whining at them - uh - making an intelligent and well-reasoned argument - will influence this. PStars didn't have anything but NLHE for for people either until the end.

Yeah, Rusty, the SnG is razz, but for me, it's easier to win a seat in a big MTT because I don't have to win-win, just get close as they often award multiple entries. AND the competition doesn't tend to be as tough.

I suppose some who played the WCOOP must have had day jobs, but there was enough money at stake for one sickday call!

Oh well, I'll rail all o' ya - RAH! GO TEAM!

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Yeah, I can't take time off until thanksgiving... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] We had an important meeting that day at 4 anyway so..... I was screwed...

-ChipsAhoya

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Laptop, bathroom, "bowel problems"

Need I say more? (butt clenches come in handy here)

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butt clenches come in handy

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Playing MTT satellites to a $300 event as a micro player is pretty bad in terms of bankroll-management. When you do well enough in an MTT to win $300 you want to win that in cash.

I think I am going to play the FTOPS stud8 event, but I'll probably buy in directly because I hate playing satellites where only the winner is rewarded.

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Playing MTT satellites to a $300 event as a micro player is pretty bad in terms of bankroll-management. When you do well enough in an MTT to win $300 you want to win that in cash.


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I'd probably agree if it were a regular thing. But I don't play tournaments regularly, and as such I consider taking a cheap shot at a big-payoff event as being outside of my bankroll. It's like buying a nice steak dinner once a year that might win me a couple thousand dollars when I eat it.

By "outside my bankroll" I mean "not related to my bankroll". It's money that I can just plain afford to lose if I feel like it, like playing blackjack or clench-the-butt-on-the-donkey

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There is a tourney for every card game, except Stud Hi, *sigh*

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There is a tourney for every card game, except Stud Hi, *sigh*

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I'm signing up for Acey-Deucey, guts, old maid, and canasta.

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how big are the fields in these and how long do they last compared to the wcoop. I remember all the wcoop lasted atleast 10 hours or so, i don't think i can play that long. I might play the stud8 one though if im not busto

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Playing MTT satellites to a $300 event as a micro player is pretty bad in terms of bankroll-management. When you do well enough in an MTT to win $300 you want to win that in cash.

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I know of at least three micro players on Stars who sat'ed into the WCOOP and at least two of them made the money. One of them made the final table. I know the other made several hundred. Not bad for a twenty dollar or so investment for a micro player. Those were just the ones I recognized from the list of finishers.

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Playing MTT satellites to a $300 event as a micro player is pretty bad in terms of bankroll-management. When you do well enough in an MTT to win $300 you want to win that in cash.

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I know of at least three micro players on Stars who sat'ed into the WCOOP and at least two of them made the money. One of them made the final table. I know the other made several hundred. Not bad for a twenty dollar or so investment for a micro player. Those were just the ones I recognized from the list of finishers.

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If I had to say how many micro players sat'ed in and cashed, I would say about 3.5 out of ten. But only about 5% of them tried, so even if half of those cashed, it's like a really small number.

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Prax: I'm saying it's bad br-management, and it is. Playing satellites comes with such huge variance that you basically should be able to buy into the event directly to justify it. I've blown a whole roll just playing satellites.

mrmr: So you think micro players had a way better cashing ratio than the people who buy in directly?

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There is a tourney for every card game, except Stud Hi, *sigh*

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I'm signing up for Acey-Deucey, guts, old maid, and canasta.

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Need any backers for canasta? I bet you pwn

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There is a tourney for every card game, except Stud Hi, *sigh*

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I'm signing up for Acey-Deucey, guts, old maid, and canasta.

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I certainly know which one I'm signing up for. Have you any eights?

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Prax: I'm saying it's bad br-management, and it is.

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Well, that may be - but the fact is, if we had $2-300 to pay for a trny entry, we wouldn't be micro players, we'd be playing 2/4-3/6. A satellite is a one-shot - maybe a two-shot deal for a micro - and buying into the trny is bad management for everyone, isn't it? I mean, what are the odds anyone cashes? Katya Thater couldn't get into the money. Neither could betgo. Or a lot of other great players, big field/bad cards, they'd both have made a lot more money just playing cash games.

I have the FTPs to play two satellites. I just would like to have them be Razz.

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Uhm, to play $300 tourneys you should have a bank roll of like $20k. To play $3/6 you need $1500

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Uhm, to play $300 tourneys you should have a bank roll of like $20k. To play $3/6 you need $1500

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We're talking about a tourney that has occurred twice in calendar '07 (WCOOP and FTOPS). You don't need a $20k BR to take a shot at a once in a blue moon tourney event. As for the sats, if prax can convince FTP to implement affordable sats for the microstakers, then it's good management to decide on a % of your BR to dedicate to them (no more than 20%) and go for it. For prax and a lot of other players, winning the sat and getting to play in the FTOPS event is worth more in utility than $300.

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Exactly what I was typing.

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How about winning some MTT an using the $ for a buy in? Or place high in some.

Beat: Ever since the wife d/l'd some update on FTP i can't log into it.*

Brag: Won the $10+1 Stud tourney on 10/8 for $177

Variance: It was on Stars and there's no way to transfer the $ to FTP (without check cashout, send to FTP) because I CAN"T LOG ON!


*I tried uninstalling the FTP client and reinstalling. Still no go. Something about FullTilt.e.exe not working or some [censored] like that.

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You could find someone with an account on both to do the transfer.

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Pretty bad that satelites into a Razz tourney are NLHE. Makes no sense to me. I will say that Razz SNGs on Full Tilt don't run very often at any buy-in. I'm sure that's their reasoning.

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What are you talking about?

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edited to delete old post:

SG - thanks for saying what I wanted to better then I was saying it.