25NL QQ in 3bet pot
 

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UTG ($24.90)
UTG+1 ($14.75)
MP1 ($12.20)
MP2 ($6.40)
MP3 ($24.65)
CO ($15.50)
Hero ($31.50)
SB ($67.10)
BB ($21.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $0.75</font>, CO calls $0.75, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $2.75, CO folds.

Flop: ($8.10) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $5.25</font>, Hero calls $5.25.

Turn: ($18.60) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($18.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $18.60

Was this line too passive? I figured that with position, I could exercise some pot control, but wonder if I could've gotten more value. No reads on villain at the time.

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I'd get my stack in somewhere without thinking too much about it.

Betting/raising/shoving the flop, turn or river all seem fine to me.

And at the very least, the river is an easy value bet.

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What am I getting value from on the river? JJ? A weirdo with A-7? Maybe I'm giving people too much credit for what they'll call me down with?

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Damn, I though I wrote a response here already...

What I wrote was: I think you have at least to value bet here on the river. Turn check is ok for me.

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NP Alex. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I've been having a tough time recently (especilly in hands like this) putting villains on crap that will call me. I've been checking a lot of rivers lately and have been wondering if that's affecting my overall game.

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I know that problem, but you're losing just too much value by checking rivers behind in unrisky spots like this. Plus you got position here and there are only few players out there that would check a better hand to you on turn and on river, going for the c/r on the river simply because they are afraid that you just check behind as you did.

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How about on the turn? If I bet here, I can (hopefully) fold out AJ+ and not give them a chance to hit on the river. I guess it boils down to whether I want all my chips in the middle.

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I think you have to at least value bet the river after villain checks for the second time in front.

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Well normally, I'd bet that turn most of the times, especially as it makes this board a little drawy (for BD draws of course). But as you mentionend, you wanted to go for some pot control here then you have to do this on the turn cause you can't be sure that you will be able to control the pot size on the river by checking behind.
Just for the records: I'm betting here all three streets pretty much for value and would only start thinking a little if he raises me somewhere along the way.

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This is probably the best line to take, Alex (betting all streets for value) but I've hit a downswing today and the vision tends to cloud a bit when things are running bad lol.

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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ditto

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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Ipso facto.

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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Ipso facto.

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does that mean you agree or disagree? I have no idea what language that is (latin?), much less what it means.

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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Ipso facto.

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does that mean you agree or disagree? I have no idea what language that is (latin?), much less what it means.

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he's saying that by you stacking off with QQ here, you prove your point

in short I think he disagrees with you stacking off here

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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Ipso facto.

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does that mean you agree or disagree? I have no idea what language that is (latin?), much less what it means.

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he's saying that by you stacking off with QQ here, you prove your point

in short I think he disagrees with you stacking off here

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FWIW, I'm pretty sure we aren't stacking off here, but rather we're doing the stacking. Agree?

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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Ipso facto.

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does that mean you agree or disagree? I have no idea what language that is (latin?), much less what it means.

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latin... it basically means that you proved the point and i agree with it.

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It would slow me down a little given the donk bet on the flop from villan. but I would still fire @ that turn...at the very least value bet the river. Villan may have 2 overs and/or a smaller overpair &amp; is trying to figure out if you have an overpair (and if so how high).

Bottom line....two checks on turn &amp; river by villan is pretty weak --&gt; I have a COMPULSION to fire @ that river.

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I dont believe this flop donk bet. Its too huge and it cant be KK, AA, set. Its mostly overpair like 88-JJ.

I would just raise the flop and commit self.

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GRUNCH
Yes, too passive, you are losing a lot of value.
Sometimes I reaise flop to see where I am but calling is fine.
I would bet turn when checked to and try to get some value on river too.
Pot control isn't a big issue, b/c if he c/r on turn we just assume our hand is no good and fold.
You are letting AK draw for free and losing a lot of value from ~JJ.

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I'd raise the flop to like $13 and shove the turn. People stack off with all kinds of stuff in 3bet pots.

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Ipso facto.

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does that mean you agree or disagree? I have no idea what language that is (latin?), much less what it means.

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he's saying that by you stacking off with QQ here, you prove your point

in short I think he disagrees with you stacking off here

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FWIW, I'm pretty sure we aren't stacking off here, but rather we're doing the stacking. Agree?

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I agree with that