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When I google to find info on politics or finance, I'm often directed to conspiracy theorists' websites. While some are interesting, others frightening, and a few hilarious, there seems to be more "conspiracy theories" now than ever before.

I assume the internet and the availablity of information sharing coupled with lack of censorship is largely responsible for their growth and popularity.

I was wondering what large-scale conspiracy theories were prevalent in the past (ie-before the internet).

A few I can think of off the top of head:
-The deaths of JFK, Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, Bruce Lee
-Crash of '29
-The purchase of world-changing patents and subsequent supression of development. (eg-oil companies buying and shelving patents on cheap renewable energy souces, or drug companies doing the same with cures etc.)
-Roswell

I'm more interested in theories that were prevalent in historical context rather than contemporary historians and researchers digging up new information on historical events (eg- The DaVinci Code, Battle of Hastings etc.)

Could you please list any famous conspiracies from history?

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Think you left out one of the biggest; that the Jews control everything and are to blame for all that is bad. From Martin Luther to Adolf Hitler the theory of a Jewish elite controlled all economy and used their power to disrupt Europe and America has played a large role in some of the worst events in human history.

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The illuminati

It's all just bonkers stuff, but it has all the Davinci Code mystique and allure by the bucketloads. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Hmm, if you bring up the Illuminati then this thread is over, because arent they accused of being the masterminds behind everything? Seems like whether it is baby Jesus crying or your grandmother dying of cancer at 98 years of age the Illuminati is to blame one way or another. And the Illuminati-theory basically covers all other theories, its like an umbrella-organization for all those who want something bad.

My favorite conspiracy theorist has to be this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

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USS Liberty

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Hmm, if you bring up the Illuminati then this thread is over, because arent they accused of being the masterminds behind everything? Seems like whether it is baby Jesus crying or your grandmother dying of cancer at 98 years of age the Illuminati is to blame one way or another. And the Illuminati-theory basically covers all other theories, its like an umbrella-organization for all those who want something bad.

My favorite conspiracy theorist has to be this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

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Haha, this is outstanding stuff, quoted from the wiki:

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In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie . [3][5

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Hmm, if you bring up the Illuminati then this thread is over, because arent they accused of being the masterminds behind everything? Seems like whether it is baby Jesus crying or your grandmother dying of cancer at 98 years of age the Illuminati is to blame one way or another. And the Illuminati-theory basically covers all other theories, its like an umbrella-organization for all those who want something bad.

My favorite conspiracy theorist has to be this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

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Haha, this is outstanding stuff, quoted from the wiki:

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In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie . [3][5

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Not sure about reptillian, but I'm pretty sure Margaret Thatcher was not human.

At least if she was, not technically a female one.

FWIW, I read David Icke's "The Biggest Secret" years ago when it first came out. It's actually really interesting, although he tends introduce his "unusual" ideas in a matter-of-fact way. He used to be a pro-footballer, then MP and then joined the Green Party. They kicked him out for being a little too wild with his ideas. In fact, i think even the Natural Law Party gave him the elbow.

Shapeshift. gogogogo

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Operation Northwoods (=Reichstag Fire) should be known better.

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This one is actually true. In a huge article in the Tribune a few days ago, they lay out an absolutely damning case based on eye witness accounts and radio intercepts that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship. It is also probable that the Johnson administration knew the Israelis knew and decided to cover it up.

Anyhoo, I thought the standard biggest conspiracy theory besides JFK was that FDR let the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor.

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The illuminati

It's all just bonkers stuff, but it has all the Davinci Code mystique and allure by the bucketloads.

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I think denying that there are people behind the scenes pulling major strings on world events is naive.

Bilderberg Group where elite world people meet once a year with intense security and no media present. No on really knows what they talk about.

Bohemian Grove happens in California every year and has presidents and all kinds of people there who do mock pagan rituals. Supposedly just a yearly drunken orgy of powerful people.

The Council on Foreign Relations can be said to run the country. The people who actually do run the country are members or have been directors in the past(i.e. Cheney). This is like the State dept's bed buddy.

These are just a couple examples. But an organization like the CFR really does run the country. And those members of the CFR are "illuminati"

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Anyhoo, I thought the standard biggest conspiracy theory besides JFK was that FDR let the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor.

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This was the first one that came to mind.

Also, Moon Landings being faked was a semi large one for a while.

Roswell "alien coverup" obviously. Hell all the government "coverup of UFOs" conspiracy bullcrap could be included.

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The connection between the mob (marcellos in Louisiana, and Giancana of Chicago) is too big of a thing to overlook, I hae no doubt the mob had a hand in it, as JFKs dad was pretty open about meeting with top mobsters in exchange for swaying votes, etc. And Giancana admitted that they got the wrong guy on his deathbed, not to mention that he was good friends with Marcello, who did business with Jack Ruby.

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by "got the wrong guy" I mean shot the wrong kennedy

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by "got the wrong guy" I mean shot the wrong kennedy

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Jackie?

Ted?

Adam?

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by "got the wrong guy" I mean shot the wrong kennedy

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Jackie?

Ted?

Adam?

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bobby was instrumental in bringing down a lot of mobsters.

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It often believed that Livia was behind the murders of all Tiberius' rivals including his half-brothers and other members of Augustus' extended family.

It's just a theory with no evidence to back it up, although the sheer number of convenient deaths is admittedly suspicious. The entire complement of males suitable for leadership in the Julian family were all dropping like flies around Tiberius up until he was the last man standing and named heir to Augustus.

natedogg

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Creation

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The illuminati

It's all just bonkers stuff, but it has all the Davinci Code mystique and allure by the bucketloads.

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I think denying that there are people behind the scenes pulling major strings on world events is naive.

Bilderberg Group where elite world people meet once a year with intense security and no media present. No on really knows what they talk about.

Bohemian Grove happens in California every year and has presidents and all kinds of people there who do mock pagan rituals. Supposedly just a yearly drunken orgy of powerful people.

The Council on Foreign Relations can be said to run the country. The people who actually do run the country are members or have been directors in the past(i.e. Cheney). This is like the State dept's bed buddy.

These are just a couple examples. But an organization like the CFR really does run the country. And those members of the CFR are "illuminati"

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qft

Next big goal for the illuminati: get Hillary into power. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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I think denying that there are people behind the scenes pulling major strings on world events is naive.


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You are correct about this. However, they don't make decisions to move the world based on the criteria that any conspiracy theory has ever proposed. Who they are or were or become is not determined by any criteria that a conspiracist has ever proposed, either.

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USS Liberty

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This one is actually true. In a huge article in the Tribune a few days ago, they lay out an absolutely damning case based on eye witness accounts and radio intercepts that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship. It is also probable that the Johnson administration knew the Israelis knew and decided to cover it up.


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ussliberty.org is another great resource for more info on the incident. the average american is clueless about this incident. they are too busy worrying about the arabs when they should be questioning the relationship between the usa & israel.

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However, they don't make decisions to move the world based on the criteria that any conspiracy theory has ever proposed. Who they are or were or become is not determined by any criteria that a conspiracist has ever proposed, either.

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well since you know, then tell us.

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However, they don't make decisions to move the world based on the criteria that any conspiracy theory has ever proposed. Who they are or were or become is not determined by any criteria that a conspiracist has ever proposed, either.



well since you know, then tell us.

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also my understanding is that the superelite basically want to consolidate more and more power into their hands. How anyone can disagree with this I don't know.

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However, they don't make decisions to move the world based on the criteria that any conspiracy theory has ever proposed. Who they are or were or become is not determined by any criteria that a conspiracist has ever proposed, either.



well since you know, then tell us.

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also my understanding is that the superelite basically want to consolidate more and more power into their hands. How anyone can disagree with this I don't know.

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Human nature is usually the best argument for a conspiracy theory.

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I think denying that there are people behind the scenes pulling major strings on world events is naive.


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You are correct about this. However, they don't make decisions to move the world based on the criteria that any conspiracy theory has ever proposed. Who they are or were or become is not determined by any criteria that a conspiracist has ever proposed, either.

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lol

Plz enlighten us then. And how do you know? Are you a member of the CFR? Bilderberg?

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I think denying that there are people behind the scenes pulling major strings on world events is naive.


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I don't even know what that means sorry.

Are you saying that sometimes some people in power discuss things informally and say stuff like 'oh boy, it would be swell if iran didn't have nukes'?

Or are you suggesting there exists organized secret orders whose purpose it is to control large events in the the world?

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The best conspiracy theory is the Eisenhower was a commie one.

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A group of wealthy fascists, which included GWB's grandpa (who also financed Hitler), hired general Smedley Butler to lead an army to overthrow FDR and install a dictatorship. Fortunately Butler blew the whistle on them.

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Are you a member of the CFR? Bilderberg?


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They don't take people who would run around saying they were members.

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also my understanding is that the superelite basically want to consolidate more and more power into their hands. How anyone can disagree with this I don't know.


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This is a false paradigm. Someone whose goal is to consolodate more and more power into their own hands is meglomanical and most likely mentally ill. Competition is only eliminated if it is directly threatening, typically.

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I would say that human nature is an argument against a conspiracy theory.

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A group of wealthy fascists, which included GWB's grandpa (who also financed Hitler), hired general Smedley Butler to lead an army to overthrow FDR and install a different dictatorship.

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The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in my opinion was the founding of the Fed, and it's not even a secret. It's right out in the open, albeit enshrouded in obfuscation and apologetics. But basically everyone agrees that a small group of the richest men in the world, powerful bankers, got together and wrote the Federal Reserve Act, granting them a banking cartel that has shaped the course of world history ever since. Pretty interesting stuff.

Rothbard gave a great lecture on the founding of the Fed:

http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

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The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in my opinion was the founding of the Fed, and it's not even a secret. It's right out in the open, albeit enshrouded in obfuscation and apologetics. But basically everyone agrees that a small group of the richest men in the world, powerful bankers, got together and wrote the Federal Reserve Act, granting them a banking cartel that has shaped the course of world history ever since. Pretty interesting stuff.

Rothbard gave a great lecture on the founding of the Fed:

http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

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And that would disqualify it as a 'conspiracy'.

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I would agree. As a prereq, conspiracies must be "secret." These guys didn't exactly cover up what they were doing. It's a case of a group of men taking advantage of the fallibility of the US Constitution for their own benefit. It's not that it was covered up, it's just that people were and still are woefully ignorant of the ramifications.

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The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in my opinion was the founding of the Fed, and it's not even a secret. It's right out in the open, albeit enshrouded in obfuscation and apologetics. But basically everyone agrees that a small group of the richest men in the world, powerful bankers, got together and wrote the Federal Reserve Act, granting them a banking cartel that has shaped the course of world history ever since. Pretty interesting stuff.

Rothbard gave a great lecture on the founding of the Fed:

http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

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Doesn't pretty much every other country in the world have a central bank?

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The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in my opinion was the founding of the Fed, and it's not even a secret. It's right out in the open, albeit enshrouded in obfuscation and apologetics. But basically everyone agrees that a small group of the richest men in the world, powerful bankers, got together and wrote the Federal Reserve Act, granting them a banking cartel that has shaped the course of world history ever since. Pretty interesting stuff.

Rothbard gave a great lecture on the founding of the Fed:

http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

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And that would disqualify it as a 'conspiracy'.

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Does that mean that North American integration is not a conspiracy?

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A group of wealthy fascists, which included GWB's grandpa (who also financed Hitler),

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I know that Prescott Bush worked for an investement bank, and that one of their clients were a German millionaire that up until 1938 was one of Hitlers greatest financial backers. But I had no idea that Bush financed Hitler. Please explain to me how that was done?

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The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in my opinion was the founding of the Fed, and it's not even a secret. It's right out in the open, albeit enshrouded in obfuscation and apologetics. But basically everyone agrees that a small group of the richest men in the world, powerful bankers, got together and wrote the Federal Reserve Act, granting them a banking cartel that has shaped the course of world history ever since. Pretty interesting stuff.

Rothbard gave a great lecture on the founding of the Fed:

http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

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And that would disqualify it as a 'conspiracy'.

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Does that mean that North American integration is not a conspiracy?

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To the extent that that goal, if there is indeed such a goal by some, is 'out in the open', then, yes, it is not a conspiracy.

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Are you a member of the CFR? Bilderberg?


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They don't take people who would run around saying they were members.

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The biggest conspiracy in the history of the world in my opinion was the founding of the Fed, and it's not even a secret. It's right out in the open, albeit enshrouded in obfuscation and apologetics. But basically everyone agrees that a small group of the richest men in the world, powerful bankers, got together and wrote the Federal Reserve Act, granting them a banking cartel that has shaped the course of world history ever since. Pretty interesting stuff.

Rothbard gave a great lecture on the founding of the Fed:

http://mises.org:88/Rothbard-Fed

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ahhh, something that everybody agrees upon, is out inthe open, and ... yet is only found on mises??

could you possibly link to somewhere other than the biased website for this factual everybody knows it out inthe open theory?...

EDIT: ... and preferrably not internet/youtube documentaries. you were very quick to do this in the case of the monopoly discussion with respect to microsoft so if it is out there and as you claim, you should be able to do this without mises.

thanks,
Barron