AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

Villain is tag - 18/15/3.5. River aggr factor is 3.5, which may be relevant. Fairly large number of datamined hands, but no real reads we havent been involved in many pots and Ive been at the table for ~20 minutes. My image is also pretty standard tag, about 22/18 at this one.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP): $401.15
CO: $211.60
BTN: $113
SB: $260.45
BB: $227.55
UTG: $130.70

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $13</font>, BB calls $13

Turn: ($41) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $32</font>, BB calls $32

River: ($105) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $67</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $175.55 and is All-In</font>

...? Thoughts on river bet size? Im having trouble putting him on a hand here.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

wow

i have no idea. $100 more to me? I guess it's either T9 or nothing. But I prob fold since I don't run into a c/r bluff here often enough, even though nothing makes sense.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

OP got taken to valueeeeeetownnnnn

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

awesome contribution nielso, shouldnt you be making tinfoil hats or something?

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awesome contribution nielso, shouldnt you be making tinfoil hats or something?

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just ignore him!

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awesome contribution nielso, shouldnt you be making tinfoil hats or something?

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What do you mean

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

33,22,TT,99 or T9 would be my guess. I dont think u see a bluff here often enough to call. I would fold.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I think you're beat here, a lot... you pushed the action all the way to the river, how many people are going to bluff here? Is he pushing A 10 for value? Cuz that's about all you're beating, or a strangely played overpair (which probably 3bets preflop, no?)

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awesome contribution nielso, shouldnt you be making tinfoil hats or something?

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What do you mean

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he means this i think:

http://www.sachsreport.com/signs%20tinfoil%20hat.jpg

(from signs)

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

yep those are tinfoil hats. just a reference to your political bs. You made a completely worthless reply that [censored] up the thread.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I would be very very surprised if this were 33 or 22 bc they would almost alllllllways raise before this spot, dry flop so they c/c okay, then the turn brings some running draws and they just check call MEH
and then they have the balls to check again on the river???

i think 45 can be in his range, he may play TT this way since he is more likely to have the deck crushed, but i doubt this is T9 or 99 that often even because i think they raise the turn too

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

looks like T9 to me also...i cant think of anything youre ahead of except air...

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I don't see an 18/15 calling from the blinds here very frequently with T9.

To be honest with you, I think this is a T played like a retard, i'd give it a call.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

Strange turn play for T9 no?

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I just don't see what you beat here. This very well could be TT, 33 or 22, esp. considering how dry the flop is and the turn really isn't all that scary either. I would think he'd put a raise in somewhere, but I feel that you're not beating squadoosh here and it's pure valuetown for villain.


It looks like a fold, but ugh, eh?

I wonder, though, if maybe checking either the turn or river vs a solid TAG is the better line here? I mean, you're repping a big hand, so do we think we're getting 3 streets of value from a solid TAG who has not seen us get out of line?

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I dont see what I beat other than 54 or a weak hand turned into a bluff, but I dont know what he has either, I would just think someone this aggressive would put in a raise somewhere with a set.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

fwiw you are beat almost always and villain took a very sexy line against you imo, so i would fold without some sick river bluffraising note or read on villain.

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Strange turn play for T9 no?

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Strange turn play for sets, too no ???? TAGS generally raise turn, esp this turn which brought a bunch of draws.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I'm curious what peoples thoughts concerning the river AF having something to do with influencing a call. We've figured out his range and that this is most often a fold so... whenever ur ready. results plz
(Looks to me like nielsio hit it on the head)

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

type "lol?" and call

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

tags don't ch r bluff the river enough to call. He played his set passively on turn and this doesn't mean that you have to pay him off on the river

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i call! (and lose)

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This is a ridiculous spot because I really can't put him on even a single hand besides all air combos and T9 and yet I don't think we can call, or fold. If there were unlimited timers on Full Tilt mine would still be running.

Oh, and this is a fine bet amount on the river.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

One bump before results.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

10 10 or 99 here for sure. He plays it this way because if he ever leads it looks way too strong. I vote for a fold (but I would call since I'm a station). lol.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

My god - I'd call and adjust from there. results?

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This is like 22, 33 9T TT alot.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

I dont know what he had, I folded.




























lolol obv I paid off and he had 33. It was a pretty tricky line, it worked this time but Im not sure if its really that good in the long run.

Re: AA cr\'ed on the river... you have what exactly?
 

wow take three barrel bluffing out of your potential lines versus this guy. odd hand

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wow take three barrel bluffing out of your potential lines versus this guy. odd hand

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I think the oposite, he is only confident that he can check raise the river if he thinks you are betting it. His thinking is if you bet the turn you bet the river, so he went for the check-raise, which agains't an overpair on this board is an optimal line imo.

But he can only do it if he is fairly confident that you are going to bet the river (in his eyes you have a tight range here), so agaisn't this opponent there should be more double barreling so when you reach the river you have a larger range so he won't try c/r'ing you as much.

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type "lol?" and disconnect

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