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iheartponeez 10-07-2007 04:34 PM

Straight runs into tough decision
 
No stats on Villain:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($23.85)
UTG ($5.25)
MP ($35.90)
Hero ($28.15)
SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($6.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $1, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($3.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Villain checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Villain bets $0.5</font>, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, Villain calls $2.

River: ($8.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Villain checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, Villain calls $2.95 (All-In).

Final Pot: $14.15

Should I have simply shoved the turn?

infinity235 10-07-2007 04:35 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
Hold on, the tough decision is?

Shove turn.

Speedlimits 10-07-2007 04:36 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
bet this flop all day.

iheartponeez 10-07-2007 04:37 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
Why do I bet the flop?

I figured I should have shoved turn, but I worried I had a caller that I would scare off.

Nogatsira 10-07-2007 04:38 PM

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bet this flop all day.

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why?

Spurious 10-07-2007 04:40 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
looks fine imo

Spurious 10-07-2007 04:42 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
why do we shove the turn?

no str8 draw will call and probably most pairs fold :/

CruS 10-07-2007 04:55 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
Betting flop is weird..
Shoving turn is optimal because you have the straight but a lot of rivers sucks., 7, J or Q sucks. Club is not great.

Spurious 10-07-2007 06:06 PM

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Betting flop is weird..
Shoving turn is optimal because you have the straight but a lot of rivers sucks., 7, J or Q sucks. Club is not great.

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i think shoving makes too many hands fold...

make it 3$ on turn, so river is an instacall.

Speirsy 10-07-2007 06:13 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
I like it a lot - villain doeesnt figure to have a big hand so kinda pricing him in seems like the best way to stack him.

I usually hate this kinda play but against shortstack villains I think this is almost definitely the best line to get the money in, assuming were getting it in on any river

Speirsy 10-07-2007 06:13 PM

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Also I cant think of a single good reason why betting flop is better than checking.

Speedlimits 10-07-2007 07:47 PM

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bet this flop all day.

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why?

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because pfr raiser checked it. if he had anything he would of bet.

you can steal the pot a large % of the time here.

Arcturus 10-07-2007 08:25 PM

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because pfr raiser checked it. if he had anything he would of bet.

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I have seen this on a lot of posts. Could someone explain this to me? You don't have ANY reads whatsoever on the preflop raiser. Is this something you should always assume about an unknown? What if he loved to check-raise? What if he has a high pocket pair and feels that if he bets, he chases everyone off on a dry flop?

I agree with stealing if you have reads, but I don't get doing it without reads. Maybe someone could explain it to me.

Speedlimits 10-07-2007 09:07 PM

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because pfr raiser checked it. if he had anything he would of bet.

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I have seen this on a lot of posts. Could someone explain this to me? You don't have ANY reads whatsoever on the preflop raiser. Is this something you should always assume about an unknown? What if he loved to check-raise? What if he has a high pocket pair and feels that if he bets, he chases everyone off on a dry flop?

I agree with stealing if you have reads, but I don't get doing it without reads. Maybe someone could explain it to me.

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obviously ur going to get played back at some of the time. but a lot of people forget how hard is to make a hand, most of the time you bet here you take it down no questions asked.

Supwithbates 10-07-2007 09:32 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
Betting this flop is bad, speedlimits. With no reads and up against a shortstack who should CRAI if he caught any piece of this flop.
Random opponents are also pretty damn passive at these stakes so the PFR often doesn't cbet a lot of hands that he won't fold.

Speedlimits 10-07-2007 10:12 PM

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Betting this flop is bad, speedlimits. With no reads and up against a shortstack who should CRAI if he caught any piece of this flop.
Random opponents are also pretty damn passive at these stakes so the PFR often doesn't cbet a lot of hands that he won't fold.

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good point on the shortstack i didnt notice that. that definitely makes it closer.

youngmachetes 10-07-2007 10:24 PM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
cbetting vs. shortstacks at these stakes has been total suicide for me so far. i will semi-bluff/call shove occasionally if i have a big draw etc., but would def. check behind and try to freecard into the gutshot.

bazooka87 10-08-2007 12:56 AM

Re: Straight runs into tough decision
 
I'm not betting this flop. I think you played the hand fine, raising more on the turn is committing him anyway so if you're gonna raise more you might as well shove


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