I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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UTG: $259.15
BTN: $184.45
Hero (SB): $207.80
BB: $262.30

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $1, BTN calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $5, BTN calls $5

Flop: ($19) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $13.50</font>, UTG calls $13.50, BTN calls $13.50

Turn: ($59.50) 2http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $45</font>, UTG calls $45, BTN folds

River: ($149.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero...

Whats the best option on this river? He was about 70/15 so he could have a pretty wide range of Ax or flush draws. We have about a PSB remaining on the river. Also, this deep do you guys bet more/less on the flop/turn?

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Against a station I'm potting all streets.

I would check/call river for any amount.

In my opinion these types of players have Ax here a lot.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

I just pot the flop and turn this deep. I'm lost on the river. Maybe c/c I dunno.

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if i check and he shoves, i have to fold right? its soooo likely that he has a flush if thats the action...

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

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Against a station I'm potting all streets.

I would check/call river for any amount.

In my opinion these types of players have Ax here a lot.

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c/c is by far the worst river play, everything we beat will check back and every flush (+random ass boat?) is going to shove.

i like betting a bit more on the flop and turn, sets up a river shove better and doesnt leave us in nearly as tough a spot if a spade falls.

as played....meh. depending on how bad he is, i might just shove, or else go for a b/f.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

I agree bet more on flop and turn. River is tough because his range is pretty much Ax or flush draw. If you check I think it would have to be c/f because he's not turning Ax into a bluff. That being said I'd probably just shove because against a player this bad he'll likely not fold Ax.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

yeah c/c sucks, pretty easy vb i think, you arent deep enough to fold though.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

against a 70/15 I probably 3/4 bet the river. I'm never really folding if he bets, so I might as well extract from what i can.

This would be alot tougher against a different opponent

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Well I'd c/c a 1/2 pot bet probably but not c/c a shove. Guess we could bet like $50 and fold to a shove.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Against a 70/15 I'm shoving river.

Like others said you need to bet more on the earlier streets esp on that board that deep against that opponent.

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yeah c/c sucks, pretty easy vb i think, you arent deep enough to fold though.

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how much?

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

$112

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Push. He calls Ax here a lot thinking that he is splitting a lot.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

I'd bet / fold $50 or $60. Still a $100 to be saved if he has a flush, and you want to get some money from worse aces.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

shove &gt; c/f &gt; c/c

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Since we're deep I bet more on flop/more on turn

shove river.

Re: I flop top two deep vs a fish, but the river brings the flush
 

Def more on flop and turn. Now bet the river. Probably shove.

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Bet more on flop and turn with a very strong hand on a draw heavy board. Doing that would make river decision even easier. A muppet like this has a range far wider than just a FD by the river and he will still call with anything of SD value that he's called thus far. I believe the correct play is to bet the river for value and since say there is about a PSB back I'd probably push - you'll get crushed by a flush fairly often but it's still the correct bet IMHO.

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we have ONE PSB left. I like betting a little more on each street, but meh. I bet 80+ and call the shove or just shove depending on how I felt atm.