supernova visual recognition
 

ps states they have plans to introduce vr for sn...will it be of any benefit to sn or other players?

you may give reasons.

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When did they state this? IIRC, they considered it about a year ago but decided it might not be such a hot idea.

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They mention it in the info page about being Supernova. Could be just old and never update info.

I don't really care either way. I'd slightly lean toward doing it personally but I figure most SNs would prefer not doing it.

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stated on the website as said(maybe it is old and never got updated)...what i was interested in finding out mostly was whether limit players would actually prefer to be recognized as they are more inclined to getting people off hands early on as pot odds are in favour of drawing hands in such situations...

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The players who would be affected by knowing someone's supernova status already know it. I'm pretty sure the 8-9 people I have 10-30k hands against in 3 months are supernovas. The fish though wouldn't care.

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You don't think the fish would prefer to sit out tables with less SuperNovas? I think some would (but certainly not all).

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I don't think they are really that smart. If they were they wouldn't play 50-90% of their hands. I don't think they engage in any type of table selection.

The loss would be with respect to weaker players who are learning and improving but still not very good. They would probably avoid the SNs.

At peak hours they might be able to avoid them but the SNs would be multi-tabling and be on the vast majority of tables so hard to escape them.

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Does it matter? Does being a SN mean you are a great poker player or just play thousands of hands daily and earn a crap load of FPPs?

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The players who would be affected by knowing someone's supernova status already know it. I'm pretty sure the 8-9 people I have 10-30k hands against in 3 months are supernovas. The fish though wouldn't care.

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I think you are under estimating the "fish"..The "fish" would view a SN as a "pro" and would not want to be taken advantage of by a "pro"...

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kew - exactly.

I can already see it in the chat-box, "All you idiots who sit here and play all day to get SN. It's obvious who Stars is setting up the hands for."

etc etc.

I want many of the newer fish to think that I might be playing for the first time too. Telling them, "you don't play that much and this guy plays ALL the freaking time" will only serve to intimidate them.

I have a friend IRL who is kind of fishy at 35/7 or so. If he truly knew or saw the number of full-timers he was playing with I think it would intimidate him.

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I don't know. These people are pretty dense. I think they would figure out that seeing the flop 60% of the time is unprofitable before they figured out it is better to avoid a pro.

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henry - really disagree.
They are intimidated by full-timers and can also think that the pros are going to be on the good side of the Stars set-ups more often.

Their heads are totally in the clouds when it comes to their VPIP. They actually think they are the one who only plays the 'good hands' and that other players at the table really play some stupid and speculative stuff. Kind of incredible considering they are playing more than double the hands of anyone else at the table. But that's usually how it works.

Same goes for live-play which is why some people get all freaked-out when they find out that full-time 'props' are at their table.

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The conspiracy theory argument is pretty good. I do think that they would believe the site is helping the SNs and for that reason alone the marking is a bad idea.

Maybe I am under estimating the fish. I really view them as being unable of thinking at all.

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My friend in real-life has helped me understand a few things just based on the things he says about his sessions at Stars.

He's not a dumb dude. But he is a pretty lousy poker player who thinks he's okay.
I told him he needs to tighten-up and to raise-more preflop. Really basic advice. He's gone from 45/6 to about 35/8.
He doesn't believe in any of that Stars 'set-up' garbage though.

He has no awareness that he's sitting with 4 or 5 guys who are all in the 26/22 range. He's just trying to get enough points to make it to Gold status again.
Branding his opponents as 'full-timers' would definitely be something that would catch his attention.

I think many of the occasional players like him would say, "Holy crap...I had no idea I was playing with this many full-time Supernova top-notch players."

Whether the SN's really are top-notch players has nothing to do with it. Many many occasional/recreational players assume that they are.

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I think you are under estimating the "fish"..The "fish" would view a SN as a "pro" and would not want to be taken advantage of by a "pro"...

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Not always. In fact a ton of fish (err, it's more of a weak tight thing I guess but bad players nonetheless) think that they'll fare better against pros because "I know what to put them on" or "they won't call me down with crap and hit" or "it's easy to bluff them." These are people who have the mentality that they play so well that the only way they can lose is when a "fish" sucks out on them, so naturally they should be able to kill games that are full of good players because they believe making a profit is as simple as not getting sucked out on.

My roommate and I would have this debate constantly, and he would always say he'd rather be at a table of mostly pros than a table of mostly fish because fish apparently have some magical suckout power that makes it -EV to play against them, and it's the pros who are predictable and easy to beat. right.....

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point- bob

sn=great players (nobody ever said that), however they have to be at least break-even players (exception:"onlinepro"..hehe), or else would they be stupid enough to spend in order to keep that status and gain merely valuable fpp?!..so can't extract money out of them in the long-term...

i voted yes btw as i play limit a lot and am with the impression that its better driving people out early by scaring them with the sn status rather than drawing...i'd lean towards no difference though...

about avoiding sn, its quite difficult as well as i for one mt at almost all availbale tables in my specific limits hence if they want to play those they have to play me...

p.s. its funny enough that more sn voted in this poll than others...2+2 is truly the source

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Good luck trying to find a HU game when you've got a SN logo.

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I agree with Bob and the others who say this isn't a good idea.

I voted no.

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I definitely agree with Bob. I also think that other good or mediocre players won't care at all. They already have PT and PA and a lot will also realize that just because someone is SN doesn't mean they aren't a poor player. The fish are most likely to be affected as they have no PT and no clue what other people are doing or that other players might actually be winners. They are also more likely to see a SN as a very good player or in cahoots with the site, depending on the fish. As Bob said they think they play good hands and everyone else is dumb. All they remember is you raising J9s utg and hitting a straight on the river to beat there K8o when they hit 2 pair.

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Horrible idea - I emailed Scotty about this when they first mentioned it and he said it would be optional.

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sn=great players (nobody ever said that), however they have to be at least break-even players (exception:"onlinepro"..hehe), or else would they be stupid enough to spend in order to keep that status and gain merely valuable fpp?!..so can't extract money out of them in the long-term...

i voted yes btw as i play limit a lot and am with the impression that its better driving people out early by scaring them with the sn status rather than drawing...i'd lean towards no difference though...

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Point 1 - Complete nonsense. Bad players sometimes play a lot. SN isn't that hard to achieve. Also, break even players beat bad ones and lose to very good players. If you play average you can't beat them but if you play very well you can certainly win against them. Sure it's easier to play against a horrible player but you can't play 5 donkeys at one table anymore.

Point 2 - You don't understand FL or poker in general. You make money when they make bad calls. If you want to discourage that you need to learn to deal with bad beats or not play.

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FT has just added a little icon recently.

Even if the player is bad, I tend to pay more attention to him b/c I'll prob face him later.

Fish who don't have any stats will prob figure the high volume players are good and give them more respect.

Not a good idea IMO.

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FT has just added a little icon recently.

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Could you describe exactly what this icon is? Who gets it? Is it optional? Does everyone see it and know what it means?

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sn=great players (nobody ever said that), however they have to be at least break-even players (exception:"onlinepro"..hehe), or else would they be stupid enough to spend in order to keep that status and gain merely valuable fpp?!..so can't extract money out of them in the long-term...

i voted yes btw as i play limit a lot and am with the impression that its better driving people out early by scaring them with the sn status rather than drawing...i'd lean towards no difference though...

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Point 1 - Complete nonsense. Bad players sometimes play a lot. SN isn't that hard to achieve. Also, break even players beat bad ones and lose to very good players. If you play average you can't beat them but if you play very well you can certainly win against them. Sure it's easier to play against a horrible player but you can't play 5 donkeys at one table anymore.

Point 2 - You don't understand FL or poker in general. You make money when they make bad calls. If you want to discourage that you need to learn to deal with bad beats or not play.

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but then you are contradicting your point 2 by what you are stating in point 1..."you can't play with 5 donks at 1 table anymore"...e.g. omaha/stud(i guess you are refering holdem ofcourse), but what are the chances that your top(highest p, good kickers(strt/flush) hand preflop stands up against 5 drawing hands?!you can do the math ofcourse since you understand poker so well..(bad beats?!yeah many of them, a rollercoaster ride as it is referred to)...i would definetely prefer them making bad calls its +ev, however they are not making bad calls if its 5 of them, but i am making bad plays by putting money in each pot, as i am giving them the odds to call their drawing hands in fl...on the other hand if they knew you are a sn you could probably limit the number of players involved in each pot which is the way i and anyone else would prefer i guess in such games, getting most of my hands up against a minimum number of players or hu better as the games mentioned should be played that way...what do you charge for each lesson?!nevermind

nh crymeariver

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I'm not a supernova so I definitely think identifying all supernovas would be a great idea...

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FT has just added a little icon recently.

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Could you describe exactly what this icon is? Who gets it? Is it optional? Does everyone see it and know what it means?

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FT has some Iron Man monthly thing and if you make it you get this champion C next to your name on the tables.

You can take it off your screen, but I think everyone else can still see it.

I played 10K hands total last month, so I don't know too much about the Iron Man.

It doesn't mean you are good or bad, just that you play a lot. If you hover over it, it gives more details. When you click on it, the Iron Man web page loads.

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FT has just added a little icon recently.

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Could you describe exactly what this icon is? Who gets it? Is it optional? Does everyone see it and know what it means?

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FT has some Iron Man monthly thing and if you make it you get this champion C next to your name on the tables.

You can take it off your screen, but I think everyone else can still see it.

I played 10K hands total last month, so I don't know too much about the Iron Man.

It doesn't mean you are good or bad, just that you play a lot. If you hover over it, it gives more details. When you click on it, the Iron Man web page loads.

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Thanks.

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FT has some Iron Man monthly thing and if you make it you get this champion C next to your name on the tables.

[/ QUOTE ]The visual indicator is an 'ironman medal' alongside your name. It's interesting to see how many of these sit at tables - there are obviously a lot of regulars!

When you opt out of having it appear no one can see it, including the other players.

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FT has some Iron Man monthly thing and if you make it you get this champion C next to your name on the tables.

[/ QUOTE ]The visual indicator is an 'ironman medal' alongside your name. It's interesting to see how many of these sit at tables - there are obviously a lot of regulars!

When you opt out of having it appear no one can see it, including the other players.

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That's an important distinction. I don't know why a regular primarily interested in winning would not opt out, unless he does not know it's an option.

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Some people are proud of their ironman accomplishment and don't consider that showing it off would be considered a negative.
Since everyone else is doing it there perhaps it's not a big deal for him to do it also and perhaps my concerns over the casual-players' reactions were incorrect.

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76(most likely) sn votes in just 2 days. How many do you think are there on 2+2?!

Why would others vote no?! Maybe those should be counted as sn as well, balancing things out.

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This would really help with my game selection, I have a tool for fulltilt that shows me which tables have the most regs, but nothing similar for stars. Regs should not like this, cause anything that keeps me away from their tables is bad for them.

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Why wouldn't regs like this? If you're SN at your level it's probably a decent assumption that most of the table is too. If you join a $5/$10 NL game and see a guy without the SN symbol he's probably someone trying to jump stakes and take a shot.

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yeah, I guess.
But I can't help but think that a table full of full-time SN "pros" (for lack of a better word) is going to discourage that guy from taking the shot in the first place.
At least in some instances.

you will know fairly quickly if the newcomer at your table has any skill for those stakes or not regardless of whether he has an SN symbol or not.

I think the casual player gains more info and perhaps becomes more intimidated by learning who the 'regulars' are than the regulars gain by being able to slightly more quickly identify the noob's who are likely to stand out for their crappy play anyway,

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For sure. Given the choice, players like me (not total noob, not losing player, but not 24-7 grinder) will probably game select just based on which table has the fewest supernovas. I already switched tables on fulltilt today cause one I was on had an extra large number of guys with that ironman icon, and I definitely think what DDBeast said about getting a HU match with the logo is true.

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Similar case in a different online game: Magic the Gathering (MtG).

If you were in the queue for 8 man tournies (think SnGs), you could see the names and ratings of other players. Any queue with a supernova-equivalent immediately disbanded. Wizards of the Coast changed this behavior in the first patch after release (as it was most likely harming business).