NL100 6max - AA with deep stacks
 

The villain is 47/1.6/3 over 180 hands. As you can see he played a lot of hands and sucked out a couple of times and built a nice stack that way (at one point he was over 4by). I won every big pot i played with him (stacked him in the beginning of the session) and even though i only showed good hands my raises were always called.

The biggest problem in this hand was being so deep so i'd like to hear some opinions about this.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($186.50)
UTG ($100)
MP ($297.85)
CO ($96.20)
Button ($285.20)
Hero ($421.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
UTG raises to $3.5, MP raises to $12, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $41</font>, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP calls $28.50.

Flop: ($86) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $76</font>, MP calls $76.

Turn: ($238) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif

Re: NL100 6max - AA with deep stacks
 

with a pfr of 1.6, do you give him any worse than qq-aa?

how about... c/rai $$$

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I'd be interesting in knowing what this particular villain had when discussion for this ends!

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flop bet too large. also ask yourself how commited you want to be? do you want all 300bbs to go in?

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after that flop bet you have no choice but to get it in and hope he has KK. I prob bet 1/2 pot and then shove river.

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check raise?

a) they fold if you are winning
b) they call if you are losing

c/r for a+ best value

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after that flop bet you have no choice but to get it in and hope he has KK. I prob bet 1/2 pot and then shove river.

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I like this line the best. I don't like crai because he might not bet KK, but I'd bet he'd call $100 on the turn and feel committed to put the rest in on the river. If he has QQ we're screwed I don't think I can get away from this. I think he has KK 80%+ of the time and QQ about 20%.

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Just get it in. KK is his most likely holding and he's never folding it, but he might not bet it.

In worst case scenario his range is QQ/KK/AA and you have 65% equity against that.

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If he has QQ we're screwed I don't think I can get away from this. I think he has KK 80%+ of the time and QQ about 20%.

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You must be a massive NIT... do you really think a 47/1.6 donk would have KK or QQ only here? He could have all kinds of junk.. eg AK, KQ, or JdTd etc.

Depending on how aggressive villain is PF, c/call flop/turn then lead river or c/call flop then c/raise turn to bust this donk.

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If he has QQ we're screwed I don't think I can get away from this. I think he has KK 80%+ of the time and QQ about 20%.

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You must be a massive NIT... do you really think a 47/1.6 donk would have KK or QQ only here? He could have all kinds of junk.. eg AK, KQ, or JdTd etc.

Depending on how aggressive villain is PF, c/call flop/turn then lead river or c/call flop then c/raise turn to bust this donk.

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wow &lt;1.6% covers moire than i imagined

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1.6 PFR% on a 15% VP$IP reg is very different from a 47% VP$IP donk.

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I don't see anyway you can get away from this hand now.

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flop bet too large. also ask yourself how commited you want to be? do you want all 300bbs to go in?

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I can see your point but with this guy i wouldn't mind going all-in. But in this hand i think is range is quite limited, QQ,KK,AA,AK.

How much would you bet on that flop?

Anyway, after playing that way on the flop i think my best option was to shove. If i checked and he bet i'd have a really hard time folding here. If i bet i'd be commited to put the rest of my money in.



Turn: ($238) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets $304.7 (All-In)</font>, MP folds

He took a while to fold so he probably had KK or maybe AK.

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1.6 PFR% on a 15% VP$IP reg is very different from a 47% VP$IP donk.

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This is exactly what i'm thinking. You get a lot of these types of players on Party, and very rarely does a 1.6%PFR encompass the top 1.6% of hands. I probably still going broke here.

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he never folds KK here, it is AK or JJ

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Yes usually when their pfr is so much smaller than their VPIP they raise weird stuff.. and they try to get really tricky with their big pairs.

I'd consider a stack-a-donk line a 3 AF for someone 47 VPIP is pretty high. Obviously this is dangerous as you run the risk of giving him a free card.

I really doubt he's ever folding KK there.

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MP ($297.85)
Hero ($421.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
UTG raises to $3.5, MP raises to $12, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $41</font>, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP calls $28.50.

Flop: ($86) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Thttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $76</font>, MP calls $76.


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if you dont want to play for 300BB's this deep then bet less on the flop or check. if you pot it, you shouldnt be looking to fold anytime afterwards.
if i 4-bet AA and see a Q or K this deep, im generally trying to work the pot so i put in around 150bb's or so, fwiw

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flop bet too large. also ask yourself how commited you want to be? do you want all 300bbs to go in?

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I can see your point but with this guy i wouldn't mind going all-in. But in this hand i think is range is quite limited, QQ,KK,AA,AK.

How much would you bet on that flop?

Anyway, after playing that way on the flop i think my best option was to shove. If i checked and he bet i'd have a really hard time folding here. If i bet i'd be commited to put the rest of my money in.



Turn: ($238) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="red">Hero bets $304.7 (All-In)</font>, MP folds

He took a while to fold so he probably had KK or maybe AK.

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Wow, terrible line ...

Re: NL100 6max - AA with deep stacks
 

the flop bet is great, commits AQ/KK/JJ.

check the turn, probably just get it all in if he bets

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Against this sort of player, with preflop action the way it was, and this deep, I would make a monster preflop raise. ~$70 or so. He'll call, and then the hand is easy peasy: stack off no matter what falls.

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I have no problem with comments showing me why i played the hand bad or not but just saying "wow, terrible line..." doesn't help much to the discussion [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Yeah, there are a lot of know it all noobs in this thread.

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I have no problem with comments showing me why i played the hand bad or not but just saying "wow, terrible line..." doesn't help much to the discussion [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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You are right, I though it was obvious from the rest of the comments, but I guess not. Sorry about that.

The reason that line is terrible is because you are telling the villain that you want to go all in and play for stacks and you don't care what he has. Well, either than or that you have nothing and you want him to fold.

What happens more often than not here is that you get the hands which you beat (AQ, KK, JJ, etc.) to fold and only a set to call. Put yourself in his shoes and think what you would do ...

A much better line would have been to bet about half the pot, which he will most likely call with AQ, KK, maybe even JJ, and get the rest of the money in on the river ... any river.

And yes, I am a noob.

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I have no problem with comments showing me why i played the hand bad or not but just saying "wow, terrible line..." doesn't help much to the discussion [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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You are right, I though it was obvious from the rest of the comments, but I guess not. Sorry about that.

The reason that line is terrible is because you are telling the villain that you want to go all in and play for stacks and you don't care what he has. Well, either than or that you have nothing and you want him to fold.

What happens more often than not here is that you get the hands which you beat (AQ, KK, JJ, etc.) to fold and only a set to call. Put yourself in his shoes and think what you would do ...

A much better line would have been to bet about half the pot, which he will most likely call with AQ, KK, maybe even JJ, and get the rest of the money in on the river ... any river.

And yes, I am a noob.

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Villain has like a half pot left in his stack. There is no need to play it tricky on this turn. I agree that betting just slightly more than villain has looks prettier than just shoving in a massive amount if you want a call. But that hasn't got anything to do with the line but with the psychology...

Edit: he has actually more left than half pot. But not too much. The general direction stays the same, imo.

Re: NL100 6max - AA with deep stacks
 

Villain has ~$180 left, on the turn. Betting around ~$100 here does commit him, but these kind of players often do not realise that.

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i like turn shove

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Villain has ~$180 left, on the turn. Betting around ~$100 here does commit him, but these kind of players often do not realise that.

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