$25: I got donked
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $24.40
BB: $10.65
UTG: $24.95
Hero (CO): $25.60
BTN: $5.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($2.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.00</font>, Hero ?

Raise or call?
What if we call/raise (he calls us) and river is a Q or a J and he leads again ?


Hes 27/14 over 80 hands noticed nothing out of the ordinary yet - Seems loose from SB, completes a fair bit.

Re: $25: I got donked
 

raise obv board is draw heavy...

Re: $25: I got donked
 

donk bet is small, raise here, raise pot size

Re: $25: I got donked
 

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donk bet is small, raise here, raise pot size

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I do not like a pot sized raise unless you are willing to go AI..A PSR is to $11.25...I would raise to $6-$7 and fold to a shove...A smaller raise changes draw while still giving incorrect odds and allows us to not committ our stack should villain shove...

Re: $25: I got donked
 

Raise to 8, see how he reacts. I generally won't fold if he shoves though because there's over 1/3 our stack in the pot already.

Re: $25: I got donked
 

have to agree with thac here.
Uhm, what did the fi have?
AQs and spiked a flush maybe?

Re: $25: I got donked
 

So everyone wants to raise then not fold because we've got alot of cash in the stack?

Whats bad about calling?
Do you think we're ahead or behind?
Range?

Re: $25: I got donked
 

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donk bet is small, raise here, raise pot size

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I do not like a pot sized raise unless you are willing to go AI..A PSR is to $11.25...I would raise to $6-$7 and fold to a shove...A smaller raise changes draw while still giving incorrect odds and allows us to not committ our stack should villain shove...

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In considering a smaller raise of 6 or 7, you'd still be at or past the 1/3 stack commitment threshold (albeit slightly). I'm willing to shove here, maybe it's a leak, but I can see your line

Re: $25: I got donked
 

think call is good, board is not very draw heavy.

it does look like a blocker bet, but hate the idea of putting money in then deciding we can't fold... that's the wrong way round.

Re: $25: I got donked
 

Ok.

Situation 1:
You raise to $7 he calls,
River: Q
He bets 1/3rd pot, hero?



Situation 2:
YOu call,
River: Q
He bets $5, you?


Situation 3:
You raise to $7 he shoves... you?

Re: $25: I got donked
 

1. call. i'm not sure it is +EV, but i think it's really bad to get post-oak bluffed.

2. isn't $5 ~1/3 pot ($14)?

3. we are getting 30% pot odds right? pass.

Re: $25: I got donked
 

I think you need to put in a pot sized raise and I would fold to a push. Diamond flush draw is possible, KQ and AQ of diamonds possible. If he is on QJ or any 2 pair he is likely to push if you reraise to kill any flush draw.

Re: $25: I got donked
 

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donk bet is small, raise here, raise pot size

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I do not like a pot sized raise unless you are willing to go AI..A PSR is to $11.25...I would raise to $6-$7 and fold to a shove...A smaller raise changes draw while still giving incorrect odds and allows us to not committ our stack should villain shove...

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In considering a smaller raise of 6 or 7, you'd still be at or past the 1/3 stack commitment threshold (albeit slightly). I'm willing to shove here, maybe it's a leak, but I can see your line

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Why is 1/3 of a stack committed???? The purpose of the smaller raise is to get value from villain's weaker made hands,charge the draws and protect our hand without committing us to play for stacks if villain makes it obv we are beat..If villain 3 bet shoves after we have showed aggression every step of the hand I see no way our AA is ever good..

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So everyone wants to raise then not fold because we've got alot of cash in the stack?

Whats bad about calling?
Do you think we're ahead or behind?
Range?

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I definitely think we're ahead but there are so many draws that he can have, and I tend to think that a donkbet like this is a flush draw that hit top pair, or just a draw in general that wants to block to see the river cheap. Could also be a jack. We get a call from everything but a jack if we raise. Depending on villain he could shove if he has QXd, or T9d or something, which is why I don't like to fold.. but I think we almost have to raise.

Re: $25: I got donked
 

I raise to $9 and call a push, shove any river.

Edit: Range for villain. Don´t forget hands like AQ and KQ that peeled the flop, they are going to feel like they hit the jackpot. A flushdraw that just improved with a gut shot. A slowplayed KK, so many hands villain could have the he will consider the nuts.