Halo 3: Post your likes & dislikes of multiplayer
 

So the game has been out for a week now and many of us have logged a lot of hours on MM already. Over 1M people play online on any given day. Anyway, I wanted to have a place for us to share what we really like about the game and what we think Bungie should change. I'll start

Weapons

I like the new weapons like the spiker and the gravity hammer. I like that they evened out the BR and the sniper. No more auto-aim makes it much more skillfull to use. The rocket launcher is less useful due to it not being able to lock on to vehicles. I find the laser very hard to use. The needler seems to be the best midranged weapon if used correctly. Overall the weapons are much more even. There isn't a weapon that's good for close, mid and far range like the BR in 2. One thing that needs to change is how powerful the Covenant shotgun is. Dual wield those and the game becomes 'you win'.

Grenades

Only two of each grenade really sucks, but the new stick to anything grenade is awesome. For a future enhancement I think the splash area needs to be bigger. I've thrown grenades that should kill a guy, but it doesn't even take off his shields because he strafed 2 steps.

Bashing

Bashing is one of the key elements to win online. 6 bullets + Bash = dead. They need to fix that IMO. 40% of my deaths are due to bashing. Also, somehow I get assassinations (or get assassinated) when facing my enemy head on. That needs to be fixed as well. There needs to be some sort of balance between bashing on H3 and the weak bashing when H2 first came out. It just needs to be tweaked so that you need to put in at least 1/3 a clip from the AR before a bash kills.

Armor

I love the new armor, but Bungie needs to have more IMO. Every MM game has at least one guy w/ the samarai armor.

Accessories

I really like this new element to the game. Grav lifts, power drains, regens and radar jammers give a great extra element to the game. Try throwing a grav lift in front of a ghost for fun.

Maps

There is something to be desired here. There just isn't enough maps right now. I'm sure this will change as it is brand new, but come on. There are like 6 maps.

Forge

Haven't really gotten into this, so if anyone has uploaded or downloaded a new map from Forge should comment on how well that works. It's a good idea though nonetheless.

Game Types

On FFA I really enjoy the non-slayer games like oddball and KOTH. Team Slayer is really fun, but I hate, and I mean HATE shotty snipers. Shotguns are more like a game of chicken head on, otherwise its who sees who first and I suck at sniping for the most part. It also seems headshots aren't registering as often. Overall, same basic games and I like the mixup on FFA between slayer, oddball and KOTH.

Button Glitches

I'm talking about ways to reload, bash, and shoot faster due to fast button combinations for a competitive edge. For the most part the glitches found in H3 are useless. I find this to be a good thing because as you ranked up in H2 w/out using button glitches you would peak because everyone was double shooting, double bashing, shoot/bash combo killing you out of nowhere. I hope noone finds any useful ones out because I like the game as is.

Overall

Overall I think H3 has lived up to the hype and is overall a great game and a good reason to purchase the 360. It's thoroughly addicting. I believe after a few months a release will come out w/ some fixes to the glitches, more maps, and some overall tweaking to make the game more fun for everyone. I also like how there are many H2 players that were in the 30's having a difficult time w/ H3 and straight up complain/whine about how H2 is so much better. Halo 3 is a new game and is fun in its own right. Post things you really like or things you would want changed.

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Grenades

Only two of each grenade really sucks, but the new stick to anything grenade is awesome. For a future enhancement I think the splash area needs to be bigger. I've thrown grenades that should kill a guy, but it doesn't even take off his shields because he strafed 2 steps.

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Pretty sure that Bungie purposefully toned down the splash radius on 'nades. I remember reading that somewhere.

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Game Types

On FFA I really enjoy the non-slayer games like oddball and KOTH. Team Slayer is really fun, but I hate, and I mean HATE shotty snipers. Shotguns are more like a game of chicken head on, otherwise its who sees who first and I suck at sniping for the most part. It also seems headshots aren't registering as often. Overall, same basic games and I like the mixup on FFA between slayer, oddball and KOTH.


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Also pretty sure they toned down the auto-aim mechanism on the sniper rifle so this is probably why you arent seeing as many headshots register. THats a good and a bad for me. I suck at sniping so I will probably suck even more now but at least it'll be a little tougher for skilled snipers to pop me.

Anyhow, thanks for the summary. I will post my impressions once I actually play some MP. Still working through the campaign. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I really dislike the sand map and Snowbound. The rest are pretty decent though. I feel like the SMG, pistols, and plasma rifle are pretty worthless. I mostly stick to the AR/brute shot/shotty in close and it seems to work well for me.

Also, I really like all the crazy variants, but the jerks always veto the cool stuff so we can play the imaginative 'team slayer' for the umpteenth time.

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RE: Grenades

I know they diminished the splash range, I just don't particularily like it very much. I wish it was only slightly bigger w/ the same damage.

RE: Snipers/BR

I love that the auto-aim is off. People were way too good w/ these weapons in H2 to the point that everyone only equipped those 2. Making sniping harder is def a good thing IMO.

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I really dislike the sand map and Snowbound. The rest are pretty decent though. I feel like the SMG, pistols, and plasma rifle are pretty worthless. I mostly stick to the AR/brute shot/shotty in close and it seems to work well for me.

Also, I really like all the crazy variants, but the jerks always veto the cool stuff so we can play the imaginative 'team slayer' for the umpteenth time.

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I like those maps and really like all the maps except the really big one w/ the two bases (I forget the name). I just wish there were more of them...

I haven't had any team variations besides shotty/snipers, what team games have you played?

Dual wielding the SMG is a pretty good weapon, but finding 2 can be challenging. I also stick w/ the AR, but will take the shotty or gravity hammer/sword for close range, neeler/BR for mid range and try not to deal w/ long range fighting.

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more maps would be better, but that's bound to increase over time...

u guys have any comments on the type of games, vip, etc...

i too have noticed the diminished effectiveness of grenades because of lack of radius...

need to try out the needler some more, i still have a weak view on it from H2...

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Here's a button glitch: you can melee twice quicker by pressing melee, grenade, switch weapons, then melee.

Also, I think that the needler can be dodged by jumping, but I haven't really tested that (only seen and tried it in game)

Overall, I think the multiplayer is decent. I agree that the maps could be better. I defintely like the decreased autoaim.

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I played about 20 team games with a couple friends last night and had a blast even though I mostly suck. We never saw any variation other than Shotty/Sniper. Overall I liked the maps and absolutely loved how the snipers have been downgraded. I used to be dead before I knew from snipers it in H2, but now I can actually survive if I react quick enough.

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Here's a button glitch: you can melee twice quicker by pressing melee, grenade, switch weapons, then melee.

Also, I think that the needler can be dodged by jumping, but I haven't really tested that (only seen and tried it in game)

Overall, I think the multiplayer is decent. I agree that the maps could be better. I defintely like the decreased autoaim.

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The button glitch is only slightly faster. Pretty useless IMO and its not going to do an autokill like in H2.

The needler can be dodged. It's best as a midrange weapon, attacking those who can't see you right outside the radar. If you can surprise someone it's almost an auto kill, but I think you need to land about half a clip.

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What is the covenant shotgun?

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The problem is that there are so few playlists right now. I personally love shotty snipers, sniping is a lot of fun and making sure that you are paying attention to what's happening near you is important since anybody can blow you away with a shotgun at any moment. It is a lot more fair now that headshots are a lot harder to get.

They need to split up the lone wolves playlist into pure slayer and pure crazy variant games. That would stop people's bitching on both sides.

Re: Beatdowns - the reason the AR has a small clip is because its "difficult" to kill somebody with a full clip w/o having to resort to beat down / grenades. Bungie did that so that people would adapt and learn to get better with grenades. Obviously you can kill somebody with a full clip from an AR, but if you kill them with a few shots then a beat down, you might have a chance against a second opponent coming towards you.

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What is the covenant shotgun?

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I believe they are called "maulers"

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What is the covenant shotgun?

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I believe they are called "maulers"

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Oh, yea those are pretty nasty

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What is the covenant shotgun?

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I believe they are called "maulers"

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Oh, yea those are pretty nasty

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Dual wield those and it's (arguably) more powerful than the reg shotgun.

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....the reason the AR has a small clip is because its "difficult" to kill somebody with a full clip w/o having to resort to beat down / grenades.

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You can kill somebody pretty easily if you pump the fire trigger rather than just holding it down. Does the same damage in almost the same amount of time, and uses something like 33% less ammo.

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....the reason the AR has a small clip is because its "difficult" to kill somebody with a full clip w/o having to resort to beat down / grenades.

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You can kill somebody pretty easily if you pump the fire trigger rather than just holding it down. Does the same damage in almost the same amount of time, and uses something like 33% less ammo.

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This is true, the first few shots always hit the middle of the target, but if held down it sprays more. By pumping the trigger you are just making sure that the bullets you are shooting are going where you are aiming.

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....the reason the AR has a small clip is because its "difficult" to kill somebody with a full clip w/o having to resort to beat down / grenades.

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You can kill somebody pretty easily if you pump the fire trigger rather than just holding it down. Does the same damage in almost the same amount of time, and uses something like 33% less ammo.

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This is true, the first few shots always hit the middle of the target, but if held down it sprays more. By pumping the trigger you are just making sure that the bullets you are shooting are going where you are aiming.

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Believe SMGs work the same way, no? This is one thing running through the campaign mode helps me with, is efficient use of weapons. More than once during the single player I've put myself in a box with very little ammo or a less than ideal weapon that basically forced me to be very efficient and creative.

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....the reason the AR has a small clip is because its "difficult" to kill somebody with a full clip w/o having to resort to beat down / grenades.

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You can kill somebody pretty easily if you pump the fire trigger rather than just holding it down. Does the same damage in almost the same amount of time, and uses something like 33% less ammo.

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This is true, the first few shots always hit the middle of the target, but if held down it sprays more. By pumping the trigger you are just making sure that the bullets you are shooting are going where you are aiming.

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Believe SMGs work the same way, no? This is one thing running through the campaign mode helps me with, is efficient use of weapons. More than once during the single player I've put myself in a box with very little ammo or a less than ideal weapon that basically forced me to be very efficient and creative.

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Right, this is why the BR is so accurate. 3 shot bursts... do this w/ any automatic weapon for more accurate shots.

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I was REALLY, REALLY hoping that the forge would allow you to set enemies. I've always wanted to do a hold-your-ground kinda mission like in SC.

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I'm a noob and don't like it in team games when everyone tells me how much I suck over the headset! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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I wish you could search for custom games, so that it was actually possible to play the new variants of games that people think up and forge edited maps. Plus, I'd really like to try infection.

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CTF and Neutral Assault on Sandtrap or whatever it is called are awesome because you can drive the two elephants to the middle and face off like pirate ships. It becomes a huge cluster [censored] and there are bodies laying everywhere.

Valhalla is a tough map because it takes so long to go anywhere.

I wish they would have kept the original version of lockout, which is one of the best maps they have made IMO.

The SMG is useless, the should have just kept the AR as the default weapon. On that note, the AR is awesome.

I really like what they have done with the sniper rifle and BR. It actually takes some sort of coordination for aiming.

Like others have said, they definitely need to add some more maps. I think everyone would like to see some form of previous maps return.

Oh ya and the laser is by far the funnest gun to use. It does take some getting used to.

Overall I would say that H3 is much better than H2 as far as multiplayer, I see myself wasting hundreds or thousands of hours on this game.

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Things I dislike about the game in general:

One of the biggest is that falls don't hurt/kill anymore. About to get killed by someone? Jump off a big ledge and you'll be fine. Lame.

Grenades = crap compared to Halo 1 (I didn't play 2 much, cause it was horrible)

Annoying process of choosing multi-player games. Vetos should be unlimited, not just one per set-up. If majority doesn't want to play, why flippin make them.

Lag in multiplayer has been a bit of an issue, they shouldn't decrease EXP (or whatever) for leaving a lagged out game.

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Nothing that sucks with the game can be fixed except adding maps right? There's not going to be a halo 4 iirc.

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can you only play certain maps in certain game types? I still havent played in the sandtrap one, have played 2 of the maps just once each.

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Where the hell is Bloody Gulch? Have i just not come across it? Why is there no ranked BTB? Where in the world are these maulers i have yet to come across one.

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I think Valhalla was meant to be the new Blood Gulch.

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I really wish Microsoft included the mouse as a controller option for the Xbox 360. I mean the system is basically a PC and it has 3 freakin' USB ports on it and everything. Really seems like a big oversight especially with the amount of multiplayer FPS on Xbox.

Why can't I hear the other team sneak up on me and assassinate me. Even if I could it would take too long to turn around and fight back. Unless I sacrifice precision for look speed.

Some of the maps seem to be little bit too big. I know they're vehicles and everything, but they're usually all blown up after the first or second round of killings.

Big Game only has 12 people. Why not 24 or even 32? I'm probably asking for too much here.

I'd have a LOT more fun with Halo 3 if I could use a mouse. I've played a ton of CS and TF2 so I hate the loss of precision and speed. Playing with the controller just feels clunky and cumbersome. I'll stick with TF2 for now.

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Annoying process of choosing multi-player games. Vetos should be unlimited, not just one per set-up. If majority doesn't want to play, why flippin make them.


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I thought this as well but realized it could take forever to get a game started with unlimited vetos.

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Will people stop whining about Mouse and Keyboard. Its a console not a damn computer.

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Big Game only has 12 people. Why not 24 or even 32? I'm probably asking for too much here.

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32 player BTB is something I really looked forward to, and now that I see it's even less players than Halo 2 BTB is a huge disappointment. Also, how many freaking shotty/sniper games can they stick in team slayer? As soon as more levels/gametypes start being put in I can see myself really loving this game, right now I still prefer Halo 2.
PS. Anyone else getting screwed with spawns playing shotty/snipers on Snowbound?

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Apparently they are going to up BTB to 16 soon, although I'd like bigger.

Lone Wolves is way too underpopulated also.

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I think Valhalla was meant to be the new Blood Gulch.

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Also, rumble pit was never extremely popular in Halo 2.

And Ace, the game was just released. You said it should have more than 'like 6 maps.' Well it does, 11 actually. By the time all is said and done, there'll have been a ton of new maps released.

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Yea but the new maps are going to cost us more money.

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Yea but the new maps are going to cost us more money.

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Or if you're willing to wait a few extra months, you wait for them to be free a la Halo 2.

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Bungie has admitted to over saturating the TSL playlist with S.S.

Fortunately, the veto system is a method that'll allow Bungie to gain relevant data for deciding future playlist gametypes.

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Let's see, my likes and dislikes.

I like:

The new sniper, harder for noobs to use, better for me.

Like, the new grouping system, you play teams if you are in a team, etc.

The interface, all the new adds.

The mauler is cool, yeah, too lazy to write all the likes now.

Dislike:

Shotgun, overpowered, kids just camp with shotty on shotty snipers.

Camping, it seems like a lot more people do it than in halo 2.

Maps, such as construct, isolation, snowbound, are easily dominated, you just hold the top/certain area, and it's absolute [censored].

Um, what else. The armor looks [censored] stupid. Halo original for lifeeeee.

KK

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The laser is badass. In snowbound, pick up the laser, run through the cavern to the invis power-up, then sit around and wait for someone to walk into my aim.

Also, laser is good for if you know somebody's right around a corner. Start firing it up, and right before it shoots, burst around the corner. so much fun

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Will people stop whining about Mouse and Keyboard. Its a console not a damn computer.

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QFT. I actually like how everyone is on the same level. Mouse & keyboard made it easy for people to just run around with snipers getting no-scope headshots on every guy.

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I absolutely love the laser its hilarious zapping people and hearing them yell over the mic.