Turning a combo draw OOP...
 

Villain is 28/14/3.2.
We have a lot of history, he likes to push me off my hands a lot. He likes to call a lot in position and probably floating a lot. Our weak tight hero needs a plan...
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
urbanati: $184.00
CO: $190.00
Button: $200.80
SB: $198.00
BB: $234.50

Pre-flop: (5 players) urbanati is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">urbanati raises to $7</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($17, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">urbanati bets $12</font>, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($41, 2 players)
urbanati...

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I´d prob. just lead again.
I realize that we destroy his floats and miss value from those bluffs but if check raising here in this small pot it gets really ugly if villian shoves.
The check raise I would like if it was an CRAI.
C/C isn´t that great either imo, since our riverplay gets stupid by it, if we hit (wich is the only time we can win by this line) he is likely to check behind.

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check call imo

you're gonna get raised a lot i would think w/ your history.... how are you gonna have a 7 from utg?

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67s, 78s, 79s, A7s, 75s, 77 all in my range lol. I still c/c though.

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check call imo

you're gonna get raised a lot i would think w/ your history.... how are you gonna have a 7 from utg?

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I'm not sure if this is the point you're making or not, but i'm more worried about being raised by a 7 than CO thinking i have one.

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Check-raise to 3x his bet, call a push (but really we expect him to fold to the c/r since he's been playing back at you so much).

Against a villain like this, I'd be taking this line with a wide range of hands including naked flush draws and overpairs/sets. This will make people a little more wary about playing back at you. It is high variance but an excellent move for metagame, especially if you play tight most of the time.

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Check-raise to 3x his bet, call a push (but really we expect him to fold to the c/r since he's been playing back at you so much).

Against a villain like this, I'd be taking this line with a wide range of hands including naked flush draws and overpairs/sets. This will make people a little more wary about playing back at you. It is high variance but an excellent move for metagame, especially if you play tight most of the time.

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I think the only hand that really can push here is a 7, which we're 70/30 against, and worse if he's got hearts too (Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)

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If we check call what's our plan for the river (both missed and hit)?

I'd seriously consider check shoving if this guy be floating a lot.

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(Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)

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No I meant I would be raising all those hands if I was hero in the hand.

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Check-raise to 3x his bet, call a push (but really we expect him to fold to the c/r since he's been playing back at you so much).

Against a villain like this, I'd be taking this line with a wide range of hands including naked flush draws and overpairs/sets. This will make people a little more wary about playing back at you. It is high variance but an excellent move for metagame, especially if you play tight most of the time.

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I think the only hand that really can push here is a 7, which we're 70/30 against, and worse if he's got hearts too (Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)

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A hand with a 7 in it is such a small part of his range that I'm not even worrying about that. We have a good number of outs against anything he's holding, and a ton of fold equity vs. his range.

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(Jay's UTG opening range sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip)

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No I meant I would be raising all those hands if I was hero in the hand.

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I know? Which part of what i said didn't imply that?

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'sounds about right for a CO call for a 28vpip'? Waht do you mean?

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That's in the range of hands a 28/14 would call with from the CO.

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Yeah, there are a few more offsuit combos in his hand also I think.

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A hand with a 7 in it is such a small part of his range that I'm not even worrying about that. We have a good number of outs against anything he's holding, and a ton of fold equity vs. his range.

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I'm not saying that he holds a 7, i'm saying that he can't really push with worse. So if you do bet turn and he pushes, you can figure to be about a 2.5:1 dog. So its pot odds really.

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check turn, shove.

will do wonders for future encounters; won't be terrible even if called.

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check turn, shove.

will do wonders for future encounters; won't be terrible even if called.

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More importantly though, will rarely be called.

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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If you're playing the guy a lot it really doesn't matter if he calls, c/r all in here will both discourage him from being so obnoxious in position and set up some very profitable situations down the road.

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I'm quite suprised by the respones in this thead. I'm with terp on check/shove. Seems like a good spot given history.

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bet exactly $17 so you get fold equity when you shove over his raise

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why you wouldn't c/r the turn here is beyond me