Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

Mostly interested in the river bet here. I don't usually slowplay, but this seemed close to an ideal spot.

I had no idea what was going on with Seat 2, but checking through sixth seemed horrid.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($3/$6), Ante $0.25, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.67 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (2.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.67 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises___calls

6th Street - (14.67 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

River - (17.67 BB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___checks
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___checks
Hero: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I might have waited until sixth to raise, mimicking a busted low, but fifth is a fine place to pull the trigger. I think the river is an easy value bet.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I wouldn't have. At 3/6 they're calling a capped raise on 5th with almost anything after getting in that far lol. These people cannot fold anything. At 5/10 or higher however, I would definitely follow that advice.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

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I wouldn't have. At 3/6 they're calling a capped raise on 5th with almost anything after getting in that far lol. These people cannot fold anything. At 5/10 or higher however, I would definitely follow that advice.

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It's crazy, in my experience 3/6 is the fishiest of all limits in the 1/2 - 5/10 range at full tilt poker. Often 3/6 is a game that comes together under a very short period of time, and it usually has several people buying in for $30 trying to go all-in with KK in the hole

If you got a low card on 4th, would you raise there?

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I don't play a lot of hi-lo, but wouldn't raising 3rd in this case be a good move? You have 3 callers, two of which have high cards so you can represent a low hand and there is a good chance that one of the high hands will 3-bet.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

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I don't play a lot of hi-lo, but wouldn't raising 3rd in this case be a good move? You have 3 callers, two of which have high cards so you can represent a low hand and there is a good chance that one of the high hands will 3-bet.

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Note that I'm UTG.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I'd often raise with rolled aces, but this is an ideal spot to slowplay, particularly with that tiny ante (which I hate). Raise, and you're encouraging people who play well to fold; limp, and you tell everyone that you definitely don't have a pair of aces. I can't really see doing anything differently; it's really hard for people to put your on rolled aces and do anything about it. However, I have lost with rolled aces 2/3 times that I've had them, so be careful with my advice.

By the way, it may be different at full tilt (which probably has a higher ante?) but 3/6 is definitely the tightest limit between .04/.08 and 5/10 that I've played.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

Put seat 2 on the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Bet the river.

I think you can make a really good argument for raising 4th.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

Full Tilt has a $.50 ante for $3/6 vs. PokerStars $.25 ante. The smaller ante is bound to lead to a tighter game.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I really don't like the way this was played. What hands do you ever open limp with when you have an Ace door? Also, when a paint card pairs their door they will often have trips, meaning that here there is no reason to slowplay on 4th unless you hate money.

I agree with Logic that it really looks like Seat 2 has a two-way flush/low draw. I would bet the river to get paid by the open kings but if Seat 2 raises you are toast.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

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Also, when a paint card pairs their door they will often have trips, meaning that here there is no reason to slowplay on 4th unless you hate money.


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If he has trips, how much action do you think he gives me? I think getting four bets in on fifth is plenty good. In a bigger game where aggro spew is more likely I might push harder. Mostly I'm the only one doing that at 3/6.

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I agree with Logic that it really looks like Seat 2 has a two-way flush/low draw. I would bet the river to get paid by the open kings but if Seat 2 raises you are toast.

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Yep. Seat 1 had the other two eights down and paid off, and Seat 2 had 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], caught a ten on the river, and made a ludicrous overcall.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

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If he has trips, how much action do you think he gives me?

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Lots? Especially on 4th.

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I think getting four bets in on fifth is plenty good. In a bigger game where aggro spew is more likely I might push harder. Mostly I'm the only one doing that at 3/6.


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He wasn't the one putting in the raises on 5th. The other guy was, and with good reason. You basically let everyone else catch up to the point where your monster holding is now vulnerable. What you should have done, IMO, is to play 3rd like you would do with any Ace door hand you would play (that is, complete and/or raise), and then possibly act like you bricked on 4th and have a busted hand, depending on what everyone catches.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I limp with an Ace in the door pretty frequently. Limp/raising is fun.

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I limp with an Ace in the door pretty frequently. Limp/raising is fun.

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It's fun, but few will oblige and complete the bet after an ace limps in.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

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I really don't like the way this was played. What hands do you ever open limp with when you have an Ace door? Also, when a paint card pairs their door they will often have trips, meaning that here there is no reason to slowplay on 4th unless you hate money.

I agree with Logic that it really looks like Seat 2 has a two-way flush/low draw. I would bet the river to get paid by the open kings but if Seat 2 raises you are toast.

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A low hand might open limp in early position with an ace door card, looking for a multiway pot. I don't think the limp is suspicious.

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

You've never played $30/60 stud/8 at Canterbury Park. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Hi/Lo Rolled aces linecheck multiway vs. (xx)KK
 

I would assume a limp by an ace in early position is usually a low only hand that wants multiway action or a marginal hand. If someone raises with an ace open limper, they may have a hand that is about even with split aces and is easier to play.