I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

PokerStars Game #12369424003: Tournament #62648705, $70+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/10/01 - 00:04:05 (ET)
Table '62648705 36' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cnew27 (3060 in chips)
Seat 2: benji55240 (3060 in chips)
Seat 3: nutshot2 (2850 in chips)
Seat 4: Kismet28 (3750 in chips)
Seat 5: 4who4what (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: aussiehodgie (2290 in chips)
benji55240: posts small blind 10
nutshot2: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cnew27 [2d 2s]
Kismet28: raises 40 to 60
4who4what: folds
aussiehodgie: calls 60
cnew27: calls 60
benji55240: folds
nutshot2: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [7h 2c 3s]
nutshot2: checks
Kismet28: checks
aussiehodgie: bets 80
cnew27: raises 170 to 250
nutshot2: raises 570 to 820
Kismet28: folds
aussiehodgie: calls 740
cnew27:


Nutshot is a 6k winner longterm on Stars when I check on pokerdb. Seems to be a standard winning player that puts a lot of volume in smallstakes tournaments.

Plz tell me I'm insane for folding?

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

You're insane. I takethat to the bank day and night.

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

I know...

I really do feel like folding is a mistake, but it's like

- he has QQ+ here rarely (rr preflop)

- no way he is cold 3betting something like A7 if he's a winner in tournaments midstakes I would think

- I dont think people overplay medium to big pocket pairs here

- dude would have to be nuts or on tilt to cold 4bet something like a straight draw

It's like...

I dunno, in these situations should I just go lol and shove? Because honestly it looks like 77 or 33 so much here. He saw a flop bet and raise on this really dry board and reraised.

Meh.

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

its terrible in a 77, and this is coming from the guy who you saw fold kk w/ 75 bbs.

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

I wouldn't fold here (duh set). For one thing, you raised a < 1/3 pot bet from somebody who didn't even raise preflop. I don't think that signifies that you have a very strong hand, you would probably raise a pretty decent range here for value and to thin out the field. I could maybe see him playing like 88 this way as a value protection bluff because he figures his hand is good but doesn't like just calling. It's not incredibly likely, but I think it's very possible.

I can see why you would be worried, for sure. But I would need a much more specific read than the one you have to fold. Not to mention stacks aren't that deep either.

Also plz respond to my bubble squeeze thread Clay, curious what you think of it.

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

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its terrible in a 77, and this is coming from the guy who you saw fold kk w/ 75 bbs.

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okies

villain had 64o (hyachachachachachachachacha)

IM NEVER FOLDING A SET EVER AGAIN

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

we has a gutshot?

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

bad fold

nice car

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

nice fold, i think he shows up w/ 77 here a lot

(thats what u wanted to hear right?)

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

stick it in.

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

I personally had him on A347, good fold

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

At these stakes, if he has a higher set, then good luck to him. I Chalk it up to a cooler.

You should be thinking, do I get it in on the flop, turn or river?

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

That's s good fold, which I probably couldn't make.

I'd just tell myself he has an op.

Wouldn't this player smooth call w/ top set?

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

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bad fold

nice car

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Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

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I know...

I really do feel like folding is a mistake, but it's like

- he has QQ+ here rarely (rr preflop)

- no way he is cold 3betting something like A7 if he's a winner in tournaments midstakes I would think

- I dont think people overplay medium to big pocket pairs here

- dude would have to be nuts or on tilt to cold 4bet something like a straight draw

It's like...

I dunno, in these situations should I just go lol and shove? Because honestly it looks like 77 or 33 so much here. He saw a flop bet and raise on this really dry board and reraised.

Meh.

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players that grind low stakes dont fastplay sets like this, do they? this board is as dry as it gets

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

also, do you know anything about guy in middle? his line is almost scarier

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

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players that grind low stakes dont fastplay sets like this, do they? this board is as dry as it gets

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Yeah, seems like this is yeti theorem territory.

(So easy to say that after seeing results. But either way, I'd never fold a set in a 77 to any flop action)

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

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players that grind low stakes dont fastplay sets like this, do they? this board is as dry as it gets

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Yeah, seems like this is yeti theorem territory.

(So easy to say that after seeing results. But either way, I'd never fold a set in a 77 to any flop action)

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i actually didnt realize there were results posted

yay me

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

I like his play.

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Harrington:

"Trips: Some authors tell you to be careful when you flop middle or bottom trips. NONSENSE. If you get knocked out of a tourn. over a set-over-set confrontation, then it just wasnt your tournament. When your set gets outflopped your supposed to lose alot of money. when i hear someone telling a story How he shrewdly laid down a set after some intricate chain of reasoning convinced him he was beat, my quick(but silent) reaction is "idiot".

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

PFR has an overpair.
Other guy is closer if he is decent he will never have two pair or an overpair and never have a bluff. I would never fold in practice, but it's a sick spot. 33 is obv a jam because he can have 22.

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PokerStars Game #12369424003: Tournament #62648705, $70+$7 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/10/01 - 00:04:05 (ET)
Table '62648705 36' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cnew27 (3060 in chips)
Seat 2: benji55240 (3060 in chips)
Seat 3: nutshot2 (2850 in chips)
Seat 4: Kismet28 (3750 in chips)
Seat 5: 4who4what (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: aussiehodgie (2290 in chips)
benji55240: posts small blind 10
nutshot2: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cnew27 [2d 2s]
Kismet28: raises 40 to 60
4who4what: folds
aussiehodgie: calls 60
cnew27: calls 60
benji55240: folds
nutshot2: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [7h 2c 3s]
nutshot2: checks
Kismet28: checks
aussiehodgie: bets 80
cnew27: raises 170 to 250
nutshot2: raises 570 to 820
Kismet28: folds
aussiehodgie: calls 740
cnew27:


Nutshot is a 6k winner longterm on Stars when I check on pokerdb. Seems to be a standard winning player that puts a lot of volume in smallstakes tournaments.

Plz tell me I'm insane for folding?

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He has a hand that beats a set of twos and wants to fold everyone out? Either he's an idiot or you are (JK, but prolly bad fold).

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

I bet Overpairs.. lots of.. low board and yea.. seems like 99++ for them

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I'd go allin. Also it helps that there is a ton of dead money after the overcall (at least I assume that it's close to dead money if you are ahead)

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

FWIW, I'm pretty sure nutshot2 = 2+2.

Re: I fold a set. In a $77 tournament. On the flop. Comments plz.
 

ya he is


dunno why this thread is still here, tho still funny now. i dunno, at the time a fold seemed right, and sometimes I love doing unconventional [censored] just to learn. cept im usually wrong. holla.