Value bet gone wrong
 

Villain seems like a fairly solid tag. 20/15/3
No major history or anything.

pf, sometimes I three bet, sometimes I fold, here I called.

On the turn, I generally bet, here I decided to check as I really felt like he was giving up.

I dunno, the size of his river bet threw me off a little so I opted for a smaller value raise and then...........

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (http://www.legopoker.com http://www.legopoker.com/hh)

SB: $173.30
BB: $144.80
UTG: $296.55
MP: $204.75
CO: $340.55
Hero (BTN): $351.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8c 9c (6 Players)
UTG raises to $8.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($19) Qh 5c 8s (2 Players)
UTG bets $13.00, Hero calls $13.00

Turn: ($45) 8d (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($45) Js (2 Players)
UTG bets $32.00, Hero raises to $70.00, UTG raises all-in to $275.55, Hero?

Re: Value bet gone wrong
 

150bb deep, i like the preflop call. i like a turn bet though. its unlikely he'll figure you for an 8 if he has a hand to go with. if he doesn't, you aren't out of much.

as played, river looks like a fold. QQ/JJ are most likely candidates. i dont see him 3betting the river with an overpair. fold.

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Bet turn prob fold river.

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turn is wtf...

if he's giving up on turn, he'll generally not call a river bet.

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if he's giving up on turn, he'll generally not call a river bet.

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But he might bet air on river if he checks, that he otherwise was giving up on.

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eh...if he's thinking, i think that check turn/bet river as a bluff is usually pretty bad. it depends on river of course, but in general, i think most tags will double barrel instead of check turn/bet river as a bluff.

now if he's vb-ing, thats completely different. but sometimes i'll float these boards and ill certainly bet when i hit.

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gotta bet turn
and river is a fold, unless you have enough history with him to believe he'll read your river raise as an extremely thin vb and try to bluff you out.

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Bet turn to balance your floats and obv. for value,
river is a fold since I can´t see an std TAG doing rhis with worse!

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eh...if he's thinking, i think that check turn/bet river as a bluff is usually pretty bad. it depends on river of course, but in general, i think most tags will double barrel instead of check turn/bet river as a bluff.

now if he's vb-ing, thats completely different. but sometimes i'll float these boards and ill certainly bet when i hit.

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yeah, I generally will too as in 95% of the time. in this case I opted against it.

I mean, the board is so ridiculously dry, wtf is he check calling with there?

That turn card is typically a pretty good one for any overpair, TPTK etc. so if he wanted more money in the pot, it seems as if he would have bet it.

My thought in it's simplest form, was that betting the turn would take the pot down there and checking might net me another bet or two if he pairs up or w/e.

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he never has QJ here?

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he never has QJ here?

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Not unless he is a drooler.

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wow at not betting turn without serious history. river i made it $85 and fold to shove

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Thanks for the replies.

I guess the turn was not a great spot to mix it up, though I'm still not clear as to what he could possibly be check calling with on the turn as I know that I would be betting a pretty damn large part of the range of hands I'd be continuing with there.

obv I insta-folded. Really just wondering if anyone shoves over that small river raise as a bluff.

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I don't mind the check on the turn at all. Either your have him totally dominated, in which case he is very likely to give up to turn aggression, or he has QQ and you are screwed.

If he hit his set on the river, then so be it.

He def could be bluffing because he senses your weakness or value betting some weak Q, or strong jack or QJ.

But, once he re-pops you it is over and you are toast. Good fold.