I feel so dirty...
 

I was playing at my local B&M a few nights ago and I raised AQs from the cutoff. I'd missed completely by the river and the other guy was not going away anytime soon. He checked and I didn't think I could get him off his hand so I pseudo-checked, but my action may well have been construed as just putting my hands on the table. Simultaneously I'd turned around and noticed some drunk people rambling on behind the table. As I turned back, villain had exposed his cards showing bottom pair (with a pair on the board for two pair). I smiled and said, "Um, is his hand dead? I haven't acted yet". The dealer ruled his hand live, so I decided to value bet bluff and try to talk him out of a call. He only had $15 extra behind my bet, and he was agonising for a while before he asked, "Will you show if I fold?". I put on a pained expression, furrowed my brow and said "alright". He mucks and I table Ace high, and the table went nuts at me. Nobody else noticed my dodgy check, and the dealer commended my acting job.

I felt so dirty afterwards, and the poker gods punished me about 2 orbits later when my QQ I re-raised from the BB (too many people called the initial raise) got shoved into by the guy who smooth-called the initial raise from the SB. He had AA and I stacked off. I may have folded had I not committed over 1/3 of my chips with the re-raise (crap structure in Australian casinos at lower limits), and was convinced he'd be shoving a hand like AK in that spot, given that he was a bit stoned showing me some very bad play, like shoving into a total rock with an obviously beat flush and losing hundreds.

Justice, eh?

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Nice angle shot, butt munch.

What exactly is a "pseudo-check?" Either you checked or you didn't. In this case, you did.

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In Australia I believe the sentence for this is a boot to the buttocks rather than a kick in the nuts.

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There's no need to play like this. Have some class.

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Loser.

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You are an ass. Something similar happened to me once:

We're at the river, villain makes a big bet, I'm thinking about calling with my pair. After reasoning it out for a while I decide I have the best hand and reach for my chips to call. Villain says, "Flush" and I look over and see a King of diamonds. I'm a little confused that I'm only seeing one card, but I don't think too much of it at first. Since I hadn't actually called yet, I'm like, ok, I fold. He bitches about it a little, trying to get my river call, but that doesn't work. Then he turns over King high just to rub it in.

I was giving him so many evil looks and nasty comments after that that he didn't stick around long. I seriously felt like following this guy out to the parking lot and kicking his crippled ass (he had a knee injury and was on crutches).

When you do this kind of [censored], you're taking your life and your personal safety into your own hands. This guy was lucky I wasn't quite unstable enough to follow him out to his car. You might not be so lucky next time.

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Yeah, what you did was a scumbag angle and you should feel dirty. You can win at poker by playing well and not cheating other people.

Jeff

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Take every advantage you can at the poker table. The other players are scheming to cut your throat.

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I feel its an angle shoot. But its also the players and dealers responsiblity to watch all action. So its on them as well.

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If everbody acted this way, we'd need a damned umpire to determine whether a hand gesture was a check or not. Better yet, why not just plain check and then claim you didn't and make them play the tape?

We'll get in 2-3 hands an hour, everybody will hate everybody, nobody will make any money (except the casino)and it will suck.

Fake checks are cheating. I feel sorry for anyone who is so amoral that they can't tell the difference between trying to get the best of it and cheating.

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Yeah, what you did was a scumbag angle and you should feel dirty. You can win at poker by playing well and not cheating other people.

Jeff

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You can, and I can, but maybe OP can't

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I assume you wouldn't be pleased if someone did that to you...

I wouldn't. Be pleased or do it.

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If I thought this were a true story, rather than someone trolling with a gimmick account, I'd think you were an A-hole.

Wait...

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I actually saw something like this Friday at Harrah's in NOLA.

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You are an ass. Something similar happened to me once:

We're at the river, villain makes a big bet, I'm thinking about calling with my pair. After reasoning it out for a while I decide I have the best hand and reach for my chips to call. Villain says, "Flush" and I look over and see a King of diamonds. I'm a little confused that I'm only seeing one card, but I don't think too much of it at first. Since I hadn't actually called yet, I'm like, ok, I fold. He bitches about it a little, trying to get my river call, but that doesn't work. Then he turns over King high just to rub it in.

I was giving him so many evil looks and nasty comments after that that he didn't stick around long. I seriously felt like following this guy out to the parking lot and kicking his crippled ass (he had a knee injury and was on crutches).

When you do this kind of [censored], you're taking your life and your personal safety into your own hands. This guy was lucky I wasn't quite unstable enough to follow him out to his car. You might not be so lucky next time.

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Ah yes the american way of life.

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If you really felt dirty, you would not post a brag about cheating, rather you would post an apology to the Poker Gods. That kind of stuff will get you shanked or hit by a bus. BTW, the people at the table are dumb for not watching the action.

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Yeah you should feel a little dirty. So don't do it anymore. If this is the worst angle you ever shot then you will be a good person.

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You are a POS. If I saw this I would hate you forever.

JT

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BITB

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Okay, you all need to know I've never done anything like this before. I'm normally as honest and decent as I can be in life and at the table. That night I'd had a few drinks, so my rationality was somewhat lacking. In posting this thread, I merely wanted to express the fact I felt dirty for doing it, and that the poker gods soon-after served me a big slice of justice. Yes I can understand that 95% of you hate me, but you don't even know me. You've only read about my most sinister moment in poker. I guess I can't expect anything less than pure spite from the folks on 2p2.

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No hate here, stories like that are why non-poker people think poker players are dirty cheating scumbags. Not saying we should all be "angels" just that we should have some standards and ethics. Your reply post seems to be more sincere and more apologetic than your first, I hope you really are a good guy and that this was a fluke.

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... I can understand that 95% of you hate me, but you don't even know me. You've only read about my most sinister moment in poker. I guess I can't expect anything less than pure spite from the folks on 2p2.

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I don't hate you. I respect that you are owning up to your mistake and wanted some feedback. I think the immediate dose of Karma that you think you got is more related to your conscience and how you played after the incident. I'm sure your concentration was poor and you weren't giving 100% attention to your game.

Drinking is a huge detriment to most people's games. If you are serious about poker, don't do it. If you like the idea of free drinks, then grab a couple at the end of your session - as long as you are not driving anywhere...

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So, if you would have won the hand with QQ, it would be different? Karma would have told you it is Okay to be a POS? If this post is even true, I would guess you don't play many home games.

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I didn't post this because the QQ hand was results oriented. Essentially, I didn't really show much remorse in my first post, and for that I am sorry for not better canvassing my guilt. I played really poorly after the hand because I felt so bad. And by the way, I play a weekly home game and we're all there to be competitive and have fun.

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I didn't post this because the QQ hand was results oriented. Essentially, I didn't really show much remorse in my first post, and for that I am sorry for not better canvassing my guilt. I played really poorly after the hand because I felt so bad. And by the way, I play a weekly home game and we're all there to be competitive and have fun.

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People do what it takes to win, if you don't do what it takes than you lose. It just takes different things for different people. I don't understand why people think that poker is a game played for honor and truth. It is a game that is specifically built upon lying and stealing (bluffing) to make money.

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I don't hate or like this, I'm neutral. The relevant point is that if you take betting lines against bottom pair that require actions like this to win, you have considerably bigger problems in Hold em then what 2p2 thinks of your table etiquette.

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I don't understand why people think that poker is a game played for honor and truth. It is a game that is specifically built upon lying and stealing (bluffing) to make money.

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Another one of you guys. So if there's an old man next to you who won't notice you grabbing a few of his chips, do you go ahead and (literally) steal them?

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I don't understand why people think that poker is a game played for honor and truth. It is a game that is specifically built upon lying and stealing (bluffing) to make money.

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Another one of you guys. So if there's an old man next to you who won't notice you grabbing a few of his chips, do you go ahead and (literally) steal them?

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much different than angleshooting duh

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I don't understand why people think that poker is a game played for honor and truth. It is a game that is specifically built upon lying and stealing (bluffing) to make money.

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Another one of you guys. So if there's an old man next to you who won't notice you grabbing a few of his chips, do you go ahead and (literally) steal them?

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much different than angleshooting duh


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No. You must get easily confused. A fake check to induce action isn't bluffing, misrepresenting your hand, or "stealing" the blinds. It is just plain old cheating, like marking cards, collusion, or pulling an Ace out of your sleeve. Duh.

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The Mets and Fins fan is having a tough Fall. Duh.

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I don't understand why people think that poker is a game played for honor and truth. It is a game that is specifically built upon lying and stealing (bluffing) to make money.

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Another one of you guys. So if there's an old man next to you who won't notice you grabbing a few of his chips, do you go ahead and (literally) steal them?

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Me personally, no, because that would be illegal. My point was the game of poker is based on lies and deception, which happens to be looked down upon in society.

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I don't understand why people think that poker is a game played for honor and truth. It is a game that is specifically built upon lying and stealing (bluffing) to make money.

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Another one of you guys. So if there's an old man next to you who won't notice you grabbing a few of his chips, do you go ahead and (literally) steal them?

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much different than angleshooting duh


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No. You must get easily confused. A fake check to induce action isn't bluffing, misrepresenting your hand, or "stealing" the blinds. It is just plain old cheating, like marking cards, collusion, or pulling an Ace out of your sleeve. Duh.

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i dont think it's cheating cause it is not against the rules duh.

it is angleshooting and worth a kick in the nuts