The Poker Tournament Formula: The Conclusion
 

I read the book but I do not play turbo tournaments. What I would like to know is if anyone has come across 'the ptf' style in real tourney play and what effect the book has had on the play of tourneys in general.

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I've never heard of this.

Is this like Kill Phil?

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From the title, I thought u were gonna give us a summary of that humungous thread.

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i thought it was a book that advocated using BB remaining to determine what tournaments are easier / tougher. I didn't think it had strategery. but i didn't read the book. in the 2+2 Internet magazine a few issues ago, someone wrote an article about why it's wrong to use BBR sted M.

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I bought it, read it.

Its marginal at best. It has several things in it that are completely wrong. Some of it has some value, like for instance that we should be more aggressive with position, and we should be more aggressive with a thinner stack. By in large tho, I think those that follow his advice to the letter will be just as succesful as he is. Go to hendon mob and see if you can find all of arnold snyders big wins.

I think his advice could be a winning strategy if we were playing an uber fast sit and go with a bunch of weak tight reject live players. In todays turbo online SNG format, his maniacal play is not highly recommended.

As an example he recommends always raising on the button when its folded to you, and then always betting when checked to you. He recommends open pushing from all positions when your stack is under 5BB. He recommends always pushing when theres a few limpers in the pot.

These are not winning long term strategies, regardless of tournament speed.

4Card

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I think those that follow his advice to the letter will be just as succesful as he is. Go to hendon mob and see if you can find all of arnold snyders big wins.
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I'm pretty sure Arnold Snyder is a BlackJack guy. I don't know what he's doing writing a poker book.

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bought it, read it, filed it (next to Kill Phil) - yawn - nothing really new, or anywhere close to "break through" here - marginal value for me was a quick, back of envelope quant way to indexing/sorting live structures into buckets of "good", "better", "best". Maybe for the beginner player, it might raise a bit of awareness that structure matters & need to be mindful of tourney structure imnpacts on the player & need to make some adjustments. I think blackjack specialists have sort of a tendancy towards seeking to develop optimum play/strat, in a spreadsheet/table driven way that NLHE can't be reduced to but blackjack can.

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The book actually helped me more with cash games than tournaments if that makes any sense.

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The book actually helped me more with cash games than tournaments if that makes any sense.

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Level? (serious question)

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The book actually helped me more with cash games than tournaments if that makes any sense.

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Level? (serious question)

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Not really a level. I found that his raise ATC in LP strategy is quite effective in deep-stacked cash games. Which in turn really re-opened my eyes to the value of position.

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I think most of you have it worng. Mr Snyder wrote the book for " fast LIVE MTT's." In his forums he has stated a million times that he does not play on the internet and the book was not written for the internet.He puts tournaments into skill levels based on speed. At skill Level 4 ( which would be WSOP/WPT, or other slower tournaments )he say's that his style would not work at these levels because there is " better players" and it is a slower structure. You have to take the book for what is worth and that is fast live mtt's. He plays in Vegas and explains the people he play's against everyday. It is a great book, but you can't compare it to HOH because they are for different structures. The position strategy alone is worth the price of the book. I beileve Annette won a 180 person tournament using a version of the position strategy. I won a 45 person MTT using his strategy position.
Paid $20 for book
Won $87 using just position strategy
Profit $67

P.s. I do not state that i know every little detail about the game of poker, but I think Mr Snyder wrote a great book if you understand what he wrote the book about.

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I think most of you have it worng. Mr Snyder wrote the book for " fast LIVE MTT's." In his forums he has stated a million times that he does not play on the internet and the book was not written for the internet.

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Then why on earth does he offer an Internet Conversion Chart in his book? If he had no intention on it being used for internet play, he NEVER made mention of that in the book or on the outside of the book. Any person perusing a bookstore might see the book and would then "misleadingly" according to you, attempt to apply it in futility to interet tournaments. This person might mistakenly think he was playing well when in fact he was playing quite poorly.

Had Snyder made mention that he never tested his strategies online or indicated that his book was only intended for live MTTs, it might have made his book 1) better and 2) clearer.

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Then why on earth does he offer an Internet Conversion Chart in his book? If he had no intention on it being used for internet play, he NEVER made mention of that in the book or on the outside of the book. Any person perusing a bookstore might see the book and would then "misleadingly" according to you, attempt to apply it in futility to interet tournaments. This person might mistakenly think he was playing well when in fact he was playing quite poorly.

Had Snyder made mention that he never tested his strategies online or indicated that his book was only intended for live MTTs, it might have made his book 1) better and 2) clearer.

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I didn't look it up in the book, but I think he mentions that many of the top sites' structures are actually quite slow/patient, due to the more hands per hour.

I remember inputting some structures into the Excel download on his site, and indeed some of the online tournaments allow for more standard play. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Would be interesting to try the PTF strategies in one of those 180-man turbo SNG's, although I think most turbos end up being crapshoots.

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I think most of you have it worng. Mr Snyder wrote the book for " fast LIVE MTT's." In his forums he has stated a million times that he does not play on the internet and the book was not written for the internet.He puts tournaments into skill levels based on speed. At skill Level 4 ( which would be WSOP/WPT, or other slower tournaments )he say's that his style would not work at these levels because there is " better players" and it is a slower structure. You have to take the book for what is worth and that is fast live mtt's. He plays in Vegas and explains the people he play's against everyday. It is a great book, but you can't compare it to HOH because they are for different structures. The position strategy alone is worth the price of the book. I beileve Annette won a 180 person tournament using a version of the position strategy. I won a 45 person MTT using his strategy position.
Paid $20 for book
Won $87 using just position strategy
Profit $67

P.s. I do not state that i know every little detail about the game of poker, but I think Mr Snyder wrote a great book if you understand what he wrote the book about.

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Before I read his book, I read all the threads related to it here and all the articles on his website. I have not read much in his forums due to a lack of time.

He implies in his book that it's for fast tourneys, whether live or online. You say he stated on his forum that he does not play online, but does he state anywhere that his strategy is only for live play?

He also says in his book that the strategy can be used in medium tourneys (which many of the popular online tourneys are structured) just by raising 80% where normally you would raise 100%.

Perhaps the strategy works for the live fast tourneys he plays in Vegas. I've had marginal results attempting his strategy in the low buy-in online MTT's I play in. I don't see many "wimps" like he describes in his book.