Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

Obviously the key here is that sd743 checks the turn, in position, when the flush hits. 1Ryu, then, doesn't believe he has it - and, in fact, isn't giving him credit for a set or straight, either.

It was obviously a very read-dependent call - 1Ryu jut didn't think his opponent had anything. But I can't see much that sd743 would have called the flop with that wouldn't be beating 1Ryu by the river. And isn't sd743 more likely to have hit the nut flush on the turn, and be slowplaying it, than to have just air?


PokerStars Game #12302338360: Omaha Pot Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/09/27 - 15:29:37 (ET)
Table 'Athor V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: sd743 ($3233 in chips)
Seat 2: socutiesf ($1242 in chips)
Seat 3: Skilled G ($10097 in chips)
Seat 4: puntobanco ($2243.50 in chips)
Seat 5: jessica88 ($3308.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 1Ryu ($2326 in chips)
jessica88: posts small blind $25
1Ryu: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
sd743: calls $50
socutiesf: folds
Skilled G: folds
puntobanco: folds
jessica88: calls $25
1Ryu: raises $100 to $150
sd743: calls $100
jessica88: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [4d 7d 6c]
jessica88: checks
1Ryu: bets $447
sd743: calls $447
jessica88: folds
*** TURN *** [4d 7d 6c] [Jd]
1Ryu: checks
sd743: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d 7d 6c Jd] [Kh]
1Ryu: checks
sd743: bets $1341
1Ryu: calls $1341
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sd743: shows [8h Ah 9c Kc] (a pair of Kings)
1Ryu: shows [7h 9h 4c 8d] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
1Ryu collected $4023 from pot
1Ryu said, "ty"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4026 | Rake $3
Board [4d 7d 6c Jd Kh]
Seat 1: sd743 showed [8h Ah 9c Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: socutiesf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Skilled G folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: puntobanco (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jessica88 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: 1Ryu (big blind) showed [7h 9h 4c 8d] and won ($4023) with two pair, Sevens and Fours

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

Basically the only hand Ryu beats is the one his opponent has.

sd743 is scared of a check-raise from the flush so doesn't bluff the turn. But on the river, he decides to bluff since Ryu wouldn't have checked the flush on two streets.

Since Ryu raised preflop, his flop bet could have been a continuation bet with a high pair, which unimproved he would fold to a river pot on this scary board.

It is a pretty obvious bluff. I like much more a turn check and river bet when you DO have the nut flush, as your opponent will remember your turn check, think you are weak, and look you up with a set, straight etc.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

Ryu's reasoning is probably "villain will bet any hand he expects to win at showdown and every hand that will never win at showdown, and I am getting 2:1 on my call." Against a villian who won't check behind with a sure loser this line isn't that bad with any hand that can beat a bluff, and ryu's hand can beat most bluffs. villian isn't (likely to be) betting here with a straight or a set, so his range is narrowed significantly.


I'm giving ryu credit here, but this is a line of reasoning that is fair and that explains the action.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

Ryu is a garbage player.... Just a stubborn, foolish call..

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

its a great call in a vacume but i know opponents where i would snap call this getting 2-1

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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Ryu is a garbage player.... Just a stubborn, foolish call..

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Ive played a lot of 10/20 on party with Ryu, he shoves preflop way too much with garbage like KKT9 and KQJT when it's obvious he is up against aces every time.
He even tries to 3 bet bluff flushes against rock gardens when they raise him on a paint board.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

Just to clarify, you mean that KQJT is garbage in context right?

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

KQJT is a weak wrap versus aces because the aces block a significant portion of your straight possibilities.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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KQJT is a weak wrap versus aces because the aces block a significant portion of your straight possibilities.

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yes, 5678 makes more straights than KQJT anyway.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

ryu is terrible lol

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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Ryu's reasoning is probably "villain will bet any hand he expects to win at showdown and every hand that will never win at showdown, and I am getting 2:1 on my call." Against a villian who won't check behind with a sure loser this line isn't that bad with any hand that can beat a bluff, and ryu's hand can beat most bluffs. villian isn't (likely to be) betting here with a straight or a set, so his range is narrowed significantly.


I'm giving ryu credit here, but this is a line of reasoning that is fair and that explains the action.

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Thanks, this is the exact key to read my play.
The guy was e really amazing caling station, that guy would have draw to anything even to any any runner runner, but i noticed that he knew pretty well once the card where all out if he had a had wich was worth to bet or not.

Then when he bet the pot on the river so quickly I thought the he was betting on that way coz he know that he couldn't win the hand checking It down, I was 100% surethat he would not bet in that way with less than a middle flush on just air...

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

i think 1Ryu on stars is this guy:
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/0...-plo-title.htm
could it be him?
someone knows?

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

yep... is the world champ... I confirm...
how many professors there are all around on here...
garbage, fish, donkey....
just a world champ... lol
'night all, pros...

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

must have been a tough field if Tony G made the FT?

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

for sure toughest than on a ps table...

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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must have been a tough field if Tony G made the FT?

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This was the thoughest PLO tournament ever, no one of the big names missed It, even Texas Dolly came over the seao play. Well... maybe I'm wrong, maybe table like this were all filled by dead money...


Noah Jefferson 18850 12 1
Andreas Hagen 70500 12 2
Erik Friberg 130500 12 3
Erik Seidel 56000 12 4
Rafi Amit 54500 12 5
Allen Cunningham 37500 12 6
Dario Alioto 185500 12 7
David Ulliott 12 8
Ted Forrest 55500 12 9

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

Dude, if you dont care what a bunch of donkeys think, then why set up a bunch of dummy accounts in an elaborate effort to big yourself up??

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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Dude, if you dont care what a bunch of donkeys think, then why set up a bunch of dummy accounts in an elaborate effort to big yourself up??

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Sorry m8, you are wrong, Dario Alioto become a real legend here in Italy after WSOP Europe Omaha Bracelet. Now there are many fans for him.
Having him also in this important forum is a benefit for all omaha players.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

im sure hes a fine player, much better than me. However im not impressed by bragging, however thinly veiled.

Re: Straightforward or \"wow\"call? Stars 25/50 observed hand
 

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Dude, if you dont care what a bunch of donkeys think, then why set up a bunch of dummy accounts in an elaborate effort to big yourself up??

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Sorry m8, you are wrong, Dario Alioto become a real legend here in Italy after WSOP Europe Omaha Bracelet. Now there are many fans for him.
Having him also in this important forum is a benefit for all omaha players.

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is he hot? maybe we could put his picture on the wiki page beside Brandon Adams.