help me find a fold
 

Villian is 13/9 over 2k hands and sees me as bluffy. I knoooow im getting taken to value town here, but by what?

SB: $183.15
BB: $129.90
Hero (UTG): $201.00
MP: $197.00
CO: $123.70
BTN: $56.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, MP calls $8.00, 4 folds

Flop: ($19) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14.00</font>, MP calls $14.00

Turn: ($47) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $36.00</font>, MP calls $36.00

River: ($119) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero checks </font>, MP bets $90, Hero?

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check turn...c/c river

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check turn...c/c river

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if i had c turn i would c/c river, but why do you like checvking this turn w fdraw out?

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pot control while being oop and only having one pair

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Checking the turn sucks. Bet it for value. IMO you played this hand well if you called the river.

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Checking the turn sucks. Bet it for value. IMO you played this hand well if you called the river.

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Checking the turn sucks. Bet it for value. IMO you played this hand well if you called the river.

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so if we are so sure we are good here...why not bet and call a shove on the river?

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check turn...c/c river

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Don;t worry about allowing villain the flush draw. Pot control is overriding factor versus his range. Best you can hope for is a splitty

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Checking the turn sucks. Bet it for value. IMO you played this hand well if you called the river.

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so if we are so sure we are good here...why not bet and call a shove on the river?

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Because now we have another street of information in which to narrow his range, and don't want to stack off with one pair.

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its still putting us in a situation where we have to make a donk payoff for 45BB with no clue what he has

you can get information on the turn by checking...and if it draws a bluff...we can call it easier with a chance of him shutting down on river

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If you checked this river i'd always call all the draws missed which seems like a lot of his range, maybe even AQ and AJ going thin.

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nice hand if you CALLED river

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this is fine if you called. I prob would have bet the river.

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would anyone block bet river?

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His range is AQ, AJ, and missed draws, but since your title is "help me find a fold" I guess I am wrong and he played a set funky?

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I c/c.

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His range is AQ, AJ, and missed draws, but since your title is "help me find a fold" I guess I am wrong and he played a set funky?

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lol at your avatar and location

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NH if you called. I really think you're being results oriented if you're looking to c/f this river.

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He is 13/9, I don't see him calling with AJ vs an utg raise. I also don't see many FD's in his range, KQs and.....? Does AQ bet that river? Cause if he knows his image that is actually pretty thin.

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13/9/? what is his AF? WSD? What are the hands he is cold calling if not AQ?

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PP's (66-TT or so prob) AK, AQ. I think that's a reasonable range. If he is even the least positionally aware then it might even be smaller.

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this is fine if you called. I prob would have bet the river.

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If he slow played his set, welcome to valuetown. You played the hand fine, good play doesn't always = a win.

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bet river

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agreed, u played it fine, and i dont mind a check on the river, i think i bet too but checking cant be terrible too induce some bluffs and maybe a VB from AQ. nh

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I think turn is a check, there is no way you are getting three streets of value vs someone this nitty. Draws are a tiny precent of his range.

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I think turn is a check, there is no way you are getting three streets of value vs someone this nitty. Draws are a tiny precent of his range.

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So a guy who you believe views you as bluffy flat calls the flop and you put him on at least 2 Pair?

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check turn...c/c river

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First person I've ever used this ignore feature on. Oh and the reasoning was even more funny. Thanks for the laugh though.

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I like it, assuming you called river.

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check turn...c/c river

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First person I've ever used this ignore feature on. Oh and the reasoning was even more funny. Thanks for the laugh though.

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im glad you did...i don't wanna help someone who's contributions to this site mainly include talking about nike commercials and whats better blockbuster or netflix

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I think turn is a check, there is no way you are getting three streets of value vs someone this nitty. Draws are a tiny precent of his range.

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So a guy who you believe views you as bluffy flat calls the flop and you put him on at least 2 Pair?

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It's more about how his preflop range hits this flop. He could be calling with TT JJ AQ, however you are probably not going to get 3 streets of value out of those hands(TT-JJ), and only AQ is betting the river if checked too.

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I think turn is a check, there is no way you are getting three streets of value vs someone this nitty. Draws are a tiny precent of his range.

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So a guy who you believe views you as bluffy flat calls the flop and you put him on at least 2 Pair?

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It's more about how his preflop range hits this flop. He could be calling with TT JJ AQ, however you are probably not going to get 3 streets of value out of those hands(TT-JJ), and only AQ is betting the river if checked too.

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So are you c/r, c/c, or c/folding turn?

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help me find a fold

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No! I won't do it!







river is a call.

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The more I think about it I check turn, bet/fold river. If he thinks we are bluffy he will call river with TT,JJ,AQ and will raise the sets.

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This seems like the best line against a nit who thinks you're too aggro. Can't a see a fold, though. He's probably not folding a good Ace to a 2nd barrel, and on the river he might bluff a draw or vbet thin hoping you'll put him on a draw.

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This seems like the best line against a nit who thinks you're too aggro. Can't a see a fold, though. He's probably not folding a good Ace to a 2nd barrel, and on the river he might bluff a draw or vbet thin hoping you'll put him on a draw.

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What draws are in his pf range? Cause if we can agree there really aren't many FD's in his range, then we should put his river bet almost solely for value, and we aren't in great shape vs his value betting range.

The thing if he calls you on the flop/turn with second pair cause he thinks you are too bluffy, then he checks most of those hands behind on the river, cause there is no value in bluffing. His range for betting this river is probably something like 77,99,AK,AQ,KQs.

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The more I think about it I check turn, bet/fold river. If he thinks we are bluffy he will call river with TT,JJ,AQ and will raise the sets.

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If you check the turn it would generally be a bad idea to bet fold the river. If you check the turn you can not fold to a raise on the river often. You are opening yourself up to being outplayed on the river.

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The more I think about it I check turn, bet/fold river. If he thinks we are bluffy he will call river with TT,JJ,AQ and will raise the sets.

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If you check the turn it would generally be a bad idea to bet fold the river. If you check the turn you can not fold to a raise on the river often. You are opening yourself up to being outplayed on the river.

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i like checking the turn but this is correct...once you check turn you must see showdown

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What is he bluff raising on the river, and what would he raise for value on the river?

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this is fine if you called. I prob would have bet the river.

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If he slow played his set, welcome to valuetown. You played the hand fine, good play doesn't always = a win.

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Doesn't seem likely a 13/9 villain is chasing a flushdraw.

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How about bet turn, bet/fold the river? He is 13/9, so he cold calls a very small percent of hands. AQ and AJ are probably the most common hands to cold call with here, though maybe he could have TT or 88. Sets are out because he only called flop and turn, which are drawy and he should seek to protect his hand and charge draws with sets (unless he is an idiot). He is way more likely to call another bet and play the hero than to bluff or vbet with worse with (AQ, AJs, TT, 88). Weaker hands may call you. 13/9s are less likely to bluff. Bet the river.