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Johnny Hughes 09-25-2007 12:44 PM

What Are Your Early Poker Memories?
 

What are your favorite memories from your start in poker? Here are some of mine. I wrote different versions of this for Wisehand and Iggy.

My only job from my mid-teens until I was twenty-six, was to play poker, gin, and bridge. There was a lot of gambling.

Here is a brief excerpt from my upcoming novel, Texas Poker Wisdom.

In the late 1950s and the early 1960s, Maverick was a hit television series starring James Garner. He was a wise-cracking, comedic, and cowardly poker player who traveled all around the Old West. This TV series spawned a mini-boom in poker much like Rounders created a real boom in poker in the 1990s. Buddy and Matt realized it was like a weekly commercial for the poker games they ran. All the college crowd gave it a go at trying to be like Maverick, a devout anti-hero. Buddy and Matt often sang the theme song: Who is the tall dark stranger there? Maverick is his name. Riding the trail to who-knows-where. Luck is his companion. Gamblin' is his game.

I played poker with Buddy Holly both before and after he got famous. We played in the 25 cent limit dealer's choice games. Toward the end of the game, some sucker would deal jacks to open, trips to win in five card draw. We'd keep putting in money until there was one big pot with most of everyone's money. Then we'd agree to go for root beer and chili hot dogs and the winner would pay. I hated that.

After Buddy Holly got famous and rich, he came back to Lubbock. We rode in his Cadillac and I was really eager for a game but he would only play 50 cent limit. He carried a gun because of getting the nightclub money in cash. He had it on him when the plane crashed.

There was a lot of action, but also a lot of poor people. As a freshman at Texas Tech, I played cards every day and many nights. There was a 25 cent limit poker game in the Student Union where they kept the bets in marks on a pad. You had to pay up before you went to class or suffer severe blows about the head and body.

I remember the day, as a freshman, I got hooked on poker like a little movie in my head. Being broke, I headed for Tech to find someone to gamble with. I won a five spot from a guy playing gin who knew I could not pay until I won something. Someone told me about a poker game a block off campus that had been going all night. When I got there, people had nickels and dimes and bills in front of them. I wasted no time in getting my five bucks up there.

My first hand, playing seven-stud, high-low split, I had the nut high with three players in the pot and all the cards out. My full house could not be beaten when a guy bets $100. I said I was potted but no, these tough talking guys said call or you are out. Everyone was writing checks. There was a bank draft and I filled it out and made the cinch call. I didn't have a bank account. That game went on day and night for five days. On that first night, I played all night and won $300, like $3000, now in cash. Many times someone would bet you $10 when there was a $10 cash bill in the pot. I'd call with a $20 check expecting to lose to get my cash change.

I went to Brown's Varsity Shop and bought me a whole new outfit, including a green and black striped corduroy coat that I called my gambler's coat. This became my custom, buying lots of clothes when I had money. I'd go up and down frequently.

Once when we were running a game, we had a big slice of our bankroll on the table for me to play heads up with a guy named Maurice. We both caught wired Aces and moved in before the flop. Maurice would not split it. Jerry and I begged. He caught the flush and headed for Dallas. We hopped a plane he next morning to follow him, only he did not show up at the poker game. What we did find was a triple-draw low ball game. The gamblers were holding out. The suckers were drawing out. Our money was running out. I ran into this slick on the street that told me he had a college degree in colorology. He had a sport coat that was perfect for my ruddy face. He ended up selling me so many clothes, I had spent my half of the bankroll.

Bill Smith, the main event champ of 1985, opened a big game in an apartment house where we were running a little poker game. After a while, Jerry and I were playing with them. I was only twenty but I dressed like the older gamblers with fedoras, baggy pleated slacks, tasteful wool sports coats. When the money started rolling in, we'd get our nails manicured, get facials, get a shine, and have our hair styled. We'd see the other gamblers downtown, and this was a way of showing off. Bill used a cigarette holder, so I got a longer one. For twenty years old, I probably looked silly.

I'd run a pot-cut poker game and play in the larger games. The small game was no-limit, twenty dollar buy-in. I cut the pot 25 cents on the first five and another 25 cents when the pot got to ten dollars. Unfortunately, if I built a bankroll in the big games, I'd let the little game go until I got broke again and had to put down my spread. When the money was good, I'd blow it on travel, fancy living, and needless clothes. I can remember running good for a couple of years straight and then busto. "Broke man stinks," they say.

We could always get staked. I'd live in a fancy apartment, then a $25 a month room, then repeat the cycle. When I was broke, I was welcome in gambling houses all over to eat the great food for free. The dice games would have food delivered and call all the players for special menu items. Only one item per day: catfish, chicken, steak, stew.

I went by a big seven-five low-ball game broke and another college student on a roll staked me. We played with $5 the cheapest chip and a $5 ante. After many hours and wretched tiredness, I was off $2000 winner, like $20,000 today. However, my stake horse did not want me to pull up. My problem was $25 overdue rent, and $10 for laundry. They would not allow me to pull a lousy $35 from my stack and my stake horse was fresh out of cash money. Finally, somebody loaned me the money and I ran the two blocks to pay laundry and rent. Then I came back and the older guys broke me and my stake horse. Seven-five, Kansas City low-ball is the cheater's game.

Once in Ruidoso, playing low-ball, I knew these road gamblers were going to try to cheat in this huge game. There were several big bookies and loan sharks present, so I knew there would be no cheating until after they went home. One fellow had bandages on his fingers, which could conceal tiny mirrors. On one big pot, I blinded it for $40, the size of the pot, which gives me last action. The slick smooth called with 7,6,4,3,2. I drew four and hit a seven-five. I over bet the pot, $200, and he raised his last $900. I won almost $4000 and hopped back on the blacktop. I am sure they would have cheated sooner or later.

From the early sixties on, for over forty years, there was a big Hold 'em game at a place called the Shop, here in West Texas It was perfect for me because I could play when I wanted to. There were loan sharks present, which meant no one would bug me about loaning. That also meant a steady supply of money. There were a few arrests in the early days, but the Shop ran a very long time with no robberies and no arrests. Many of the big Vegas players would come play a while, but they did not like it. Bill Smith, Bobby Hoff, Sailor Roberts, Amarillo Slim. It was a tough game because of a couple of rocks that would only win one or two pots a day, but they seemed to always win.

Nearly everyone was a professional gambler. It was a great hangout. Boosters a.k.a. thieves would come selling hot goods: clothes, boots, electric razors, steaks, large canned goods, watches. My favorites were these two old men who had a large variety of fruit for 15 cents a pound. They had a large scale on the back of their pickup.

Poker sure has gotten respectable. I sure miss it the way it was.

My next novel is about the composite characters I met on 2 Plus 2 and 2 Plus 2 is a character. I need your help. There's the poker queen, scammer, world-class beauty who everyone in the book loves. Mandi. There's her older Mentor, wise man in sheep's clothing. There's the Internet whiz who Mandi owes as does many people. He falls for varied scams. His side kick and stake horse is LuckySlim, an Englishman who comes over to engage in outrageous prop bets. There's Dylan, poker hero of my first novel. All of these love Mandi, heads up, prop bets, Vegas, and pouring their lives out on Two Plus Two. There's the comic mod, as commentor along the way. I was already writing on the inheritance, loan me scam before the latest wonderful episode grabbed me. As Amarillo Slim said, "If you are going to be a sucker, be a quite one."

Toro 09-25-2007 12:57 PM

Re: What Are Your Early Poker Memories?
 
Johnny, there's no way my early poker experiences will be interesting to anyone. But you keep posting.

En Passant 09-25-2007 01:05 PM

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Awesome post.

budblown 09-25-2007 01:05 PM

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yea, not even going to write about being 7 and my dad taking all my allowance

Crazy Porto 09-25-2007 01:26 PM

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should i read all this?

Acein8ter 09-25-2007 01:39 PM

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tl:dr

Eder 09-25-2007 01:52 PM

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looking forward to your book...

Toro 09-25-2007 01:56 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
tl:dr

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Your loss.

Brad1970 09-25-2007 01:56 PM

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Gomer_Pyle 09-25-2007 02:47 PM

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i remember winning bigger than ever

RobDoral 09-25-2007 03:42 PM

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I remember my grandmother crushing me and everyone else in the family in poker when we playing for beans

SkinnyLittleTwig 09-25-2007 03:47 PM

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i remember losing at water poker

five card draw, player with the worst hand has to drink a glass of water. peeing equals giving up.

i have a hudge bladder too. running bad from the cradle to the grave, it seems

The B 09-25-2007 04:03 PM

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Introduction to card-playing: playing 3 card GUT in the backwoods of Fairfax & Falls Church, VA

Early Poker Memories: treating $5 tourneys like WSOP events, wooden kitchen table w/ no felt, plastic chips, players w/sunglasses, players "trying" to shuffle plastic chips...the good ole' days

benhoug 09-25-2007 04:15 PM

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Some of my earliest poker memories, were playing in nickel and dime games of 3-card Guts in high school, that would evolve into $100+ pots, sometimes even $200+. If you stayed in and lost you had to match the pot. I was pretty tight back then, so I was never on either end of those huge pots.

metalfdoom 09-25-2007 04:45 PM

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playing 5 card draw with my friends and parents

Don_Lapre 09-25-2007 05:02 PM

Re: What Are Your Early Poker Memories?
 
Awesome post.

I remember skipping school and playing jacks or better trips to win. I won the biggest pot we had so far which was about $15, like $20 today. We also played guts and acey-ducey. Good memories.

budblown 09-25-2007 05:28 PM

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hahahahahahahahhahahaha "was about $15, like $20 today" hahahahahahahahaha way to account for inflation hahahahahahahahahaha

PiquetteAces 09-25-2007 05:42 PM

Re: What Are Your Early Poker Memories?
 
1st time I play Hold'em in a casino; it was 10-20, & I was playing EVERY HANDS, & raising any Ace, any pair, & any suited. My only motivation to fold a hand was if I had to go to bathroom.

- jpp

grando 09-25-2007 05:58 PM

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wow johnny you tell great stories

DeeMo 09-25-2007 06:02 PM

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sneaking in at age 19 to the El Dorado in Gardena, eating crunchy noodle chow mein and watching Caro and other notables playing lowball...FTW

salesbeast 09-25-2007 06:50 PM

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Playing for fun not caring about pushing with 94os then the 100% Deposit bonus....gg life!

Bagonirix 09-25-2007 07:02 PM

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Playing play money on PP. Turned 2K into 80K lol.

SuperUberBob 09-25-2007 07:02 PM

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Sick story Johnny. Let us know when this book of yours comes out.

Kmon 09-25-2007 09:09 PM

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can i get cliff notes for chapter 1,

all junior high through highschool we had a group of 6-12 gamblers, we would play 9 hand bj high hands wins, and ties play again.

Jacks or better for 50-150 bucks sometimes when we were 16.

acey ducey, and handful of other games, then when we would play from 7pm till 1 go out to some cars and stealchange out and then go home and gamble that.

playing poker with my mom and dad was always good, my father was a mad man, played through college, and now i'm a degen, betting on football $20 bucks a game. and prop bets out the yang, betting on which side the elevator comes up, how late the boss comes in late.

And i love every minute of it, it's sad gambling took away the innocence of natural competition, but bowling is so much more fun when there is $100 in swings. ($1 games fyi, $1 beers), and football games that aren't my fav team (STEELERS) are more fun then ever breaking the spread.

enjoileo 09-25-2007 11:27 PM

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My first poker memories was from when I was in primary school, I was probably about eleven at the time. My class had this fake money system, if you did your homework or got an award or something you would get a little slip of paper made to look like a 5 dollar note.

When it would rain and we couldn't go outside we would sit in this hall and play 5 card draw for the fake monies. I even remember my first bluff, I got dealt some trash, looked at my cards and exclaimed "whoah this is the best hand!" and then I bet heavily and everybody folded in fear.

yellowjack 09-25-2007 11:53 PM

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I was 18 and found a homegame to join on RGP. I was greeted by five 40-60 year olds at a restaurant, it was awkward. At the house the host asked for my ID and I produced a fake one. I had no clue what I was doing in a $50 sng but managed to bubble. Also, I think Greg Mueller joined halfway through but I don't recall if it was him or not.

Dr. Detroit 09-26-2007 12:02 AM

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15 years old...seeing a kid lose an Elite 350 Moped playing spread stud and thinking "How the hell do you explain that?"

17 years old...4 of us pooling our money to sneak into an Indian Casino underage and raping the 5/10 PL game. Paid for Senior Year Spring Break...

BigBuffet 09-26-2007 01:22 AM

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My earliest memory of real poker (not in a kitchen game) was railbirding a table in Vegas twenty years ago. Back then I played blackjack.

Anyway, it was a three-handed table. Two white guys and a azn woman. The guys were clearly partners and raised the chick every street and every hand. She was like a ping-pong ball between them.

I didn't know how to play poker back then, but I learned one thing: RAISING is goooot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

BigBuffet 09-26-2007 01:26 AM

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In the late 1950s and the early 1960s, Maverick was a hit television series starring James Garner. He was a wise-cracking, comedic, and cowardly poker player who traveled all around the Old West. This TV series spawned a mini-boom in poker much like Rounders created a real boom in poker in the 1990s. Buddy and Matt realized it was like a weekly commercial for the poker games they ran. All the college crowd gave it a go at trying to be like Maverick, a devout anti-hero. Buddy and Matt often sang the theme song: Who is the tall dark stranger there? Maverick is his name. Riding the trail to who-knows-where. Luck is his companion. Gamblin' is his game.

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Loved that show (in reruns). It was basically the precursor to Rockford-used his wits instead of a gun.

Don't forget the part of the theme about 'running with Jacks and Queens' or something like that...

fraac 09-26-2007 01:39 AM

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Winning or losing, whatever.

SNOWBALL 09-26-2007 01:57 AM

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Poker sure has gotten respectable. I sure miss it the way it was.

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Are you serious?
I think only really really old people think like this, and even then, it's still nutty.

bigshowmack 09-26-2007 02:08 AM

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My next novel is about the composite characters I met on 2 Plus 2 and 2 Plus 2 is a character. I need your help. There's the poker queen, scammer, world-class beauty who everyone in the book loves. Mandi. There's her older Mentor, wise man in sheep's clothing. There's the Internet whiz who Mandi owes as does many people. He falls for varied scams. His side kick and stake horse is LuckySlim, an Englishman who comes over to engage in outrageous prop bets. There's Dylan, poker hero of my first novel. All of these love Mandi, heads up, prop bets, Vegas, and pouring their lives out on Two Plus Two. There's the comic mod, as commentor along the way. I was already writing on the inheritance, loan me scam before the latest wonderful episode grabbed me. As Amarillo Slim said, "If you are going to be a sucker, be a quite one."

[/ QUOTE ]

Change luckyslim to being a broke loser who comes over to beg winners for stakes while bragging about turning $0 to $4600 to $0 for complete 2+2 accuracy please. And figure out a way to insert a POB in there somewhere too.

Dire 09-26-2007 02:45 AM

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I don't know if I should deposit $50 into this site. Party Poker? What if they just steal my money. Ah, what the hell.

-the end

Gunnarr 09-26-2007 05:05 AM

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When I was 7 I moved to a new school. The first recess break I went outside and saw many of the boys playing this marble game where one guy would put a marble against the wall, draw a line 5 feet away or so . If you stood behind the line and hit the marble with your marble you got both. If you missed he got to keep yours.

Well I immediately saw the edge in this so I devised a plan where I put the marble in a very small divot and put a very small pebble in front of it. I then told everyone Id give two marbles if you hit mine. I eventually had so many marbles I was selling them for 10c each. At the end of the school year I had over $500 dollars.

My Grandparents owned a campground on a lake. I caught about 20 frogs one summer and held frog races with all the kids at the campground. The beauty of these races is I charged 25c to enter, 25c to "rent a frog" then I would hold a race when we reached 10 entrants. The winner would get 2 bucks and second would get 1 buck for a 2 dollar profit for me each race-which worked out to about 8 bucks an hour, not bad for an 8 year old.

sirtimo 09-26-2007 05:27 AM

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In the early '70s my dad would have a weekly game with his pals. They would go down to the basement and play all night and smoke big cigars and drink. My little brother and I would sneak down there and hop on his lap and want to play. They played jacks or better trips to win, and pot limit seven card stud. We had the same plastic chip caddy and card holder for over 20 years.

spangle 09-26-2007 06:44 AM

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Hi,

I am new to the site and thought this is a good place for my first post.

I am from the Philippines, gambling is a big part of our culture. I grew up at cockfights and racetracks and started gambling while in elementary school. Back then used to play chinese poker, it is very popular here. It is called Pusoy. 25-50-25 (.50-$1-.50) 200 prop if you win all three or have no facecards we would play on the school bus and in art room. I was always lucky and almost got expelled because of this kid who ratted on the game and me in particular. He lost his weeks allowance and more. He payed the rest of with his nikes. Its a good things are parents knew each other and worked it out with the principal. I kept the cash but had to return the shoes.

In highschool we would play NL 5card draw (with two draws). I remember going to the beach and playing drunk/stoned all day with my friends. Everyone was cheating passing cards under the table and the funny thing was the table had a glass top. Holdem was not popular back then. I was one of the few kids who knew the rules because I would see it on tv when to the US for summer. Now it is very popular here and is the only game spread legally.

osh 09-26-2007 06:56 AM

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In the early 70-ies my mom still hung out with friends and didn't realize, that soon happy days will be over.

p.s. Nice story.

The B 09-26-2007 07:58 AM

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The gamblers were holding out. The suckers were drawing out. Our money was running out.

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I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] this Johnny Hughes, hope the book is NY times best-seller

bigdaddydrew 09-26-2007 01:51 PM

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I played draw poker with my dad, I took a month's allowance off of him when I drew quads versus his straight.

He didn't play me for another 17 years. Then he called me down with 7-3. I had 7-2. In 2023, the rivalry shall continue.

Deewhizzle 09-26-2007 05:43 PM

Re: What Are Your Early Poker Memories?
 
Early memory of poker Live?....playing "baseball for quaters when i was 10.
Online......Pocketing my raises for 2 years, hiding it from my thn wife and when i turned 21 depositing it on party poker and running a couple hundred into 20k...ahhh he old days....


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