Trip Report - Aviation Club de France (Paris)
 

Long Story Short

I played at the Aviation Club, won beaucoup euros, saw a huge pot go down, and then had a nice little meal around midnight.

Long Story Long

Entree

It was pretty cool to come up out of the Paris metro, look up at the Arc de Triomphe and Eiffel Tower lit up, then navigate the circle to make my way along the Champs-Élysées.

It almost felt bad to go and play poker. Almost.

But I had already had a couple good meals the two previous nights, I've been to Paris as a tourist before, and I knew if I were coming back with my wife (or even on a business trip with colleagues) it would not be as easy to play as when in Paris alone.

I had not eaten yet, so my plan was to see how the wait was, and either try to get in a game, or go eat and return. I play fixed limit, so no limit is out of the comfort zone, and I decided to put a stop loss of €200 on the session.

So I left the elegance of the street for the doorway with the gauche "Punto Banco" neon sign above it, and walked up a flight of stairs with mirrored walls into the smoky interior of the Aviation Club de France, 104 Avenue des Champs-Élysées.

No problem with the doorman, but I was there for work and in a suit and dress shoes.

The host took my passport and explained he would get it back to me when I left so I did not have to wait while he filled out forms.

Nothing special about the interior. Wynn, Venetian, Caesars in Las Vegas are all far nicer inside. Everyone complains about the smoke, and yes, there was plenty of it, but I did not find it so bad, maybe because I grew up when there was a lot more smoking in bars and clubs. It was funny, however, to see the felt marked "no smoking" on either side of the dealer, only to have that player step one foot way from the table and light up between hands.


Le Luckbox

It was about 8:00 and I got a seat relatively quickly at the €2/€4 no limit game, and bought in for 100. First hand AQo from MP. A limper in front of me, I raise to 30, and realize my mistake quickly.

This was a min buy-in of 100, not max. I am by far short stacked. No one is going to shrink from that bet. Called in two spots, flop misses me, and I fold to a bet that would pretty much push me all in.

Over the next orbit I tighten up. Just as I am contemplating how to ask about topping up, I get 99 in the small blind. A player in LP (Glasses, we'll come back to him later) who I have noticed playing a lot bumps to 34. There was one limper to him and I put him on a big range and push.

All kinds of Broadway cards hit the flop. By the river the board is AKKQT. I know I already lost, and sure enough he shows KQo.

I get lots of nods from the table for the play, but now I am in trouble again. I only wanted to play with €200 (I play fixed limit so we're out of my comfort zone), and so I buy short again.

This time I get help. An orbit or so in, I get KK (pocket Rois?). Bump to 30 again to start, called in two spots. Flop comes a beautiful KTx, two clubs. Someone bets, I push with my boss trips, and get called in two spots. River is 5c, but it helps no one and I about triple up.

Maybe next orbit I have AKo and call a small bet. Four to the flop, 3 diamonds. I would have sworn I had black cards, but I check and see the ace of diamonds. Checked around on flop. On turn checked to me, I check, LAGgy button bets 120. I put him on a pair, and decide I have no odds to call, since he will likely fold if I hit. But EP calls, so now I feel better. EP is likely drawing and will call me, and I have better pot odds anyway so I invest. River delivers, EP calls my all in (button did fold) and now I am up to around 600.

I lose a hand with JJ, but damage is less than 100. I play some speculative hands, never for a lot, but the stacks dwindled a bit.

Then I get AA, and reraise an early raise. The two of us see a flop of QJx. He goes all in, I have him covered. I call and the aces hold up against his AQo.

Now it is getting late and I have not eaten. There is food there, and I saw some that looked decent, but nothing more than sandwiches, really. I'm not eating at a card room in Paris, sorry. So 3 hours in, I leave, up €600.

Hand of the Night

Obviously, I ran real well, and had good cards that held up. In the short time I was there, I was dealt AA, KK, JJ, AK, AQ, and even AJ that I open-folded in EP. The AA, KK, and AK all won big pots.

I was thinking originally that I also got lucky that I got action on my good hands, but the fact is, there was almost always action. Most times three or more to flop.

Here is the hand of the night, and one of the craziest I have seen anywhere. I was SB with trash. UTG limps, LAG UTG+1 raises to 24 (standard for him, could be anything) MP1, MP2, LP (Glasses, who had beaten my 99 all in with KQo) and BB call. UTG limper now pops to 70. All call!

Flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="red">3</font>[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG bets 120. UTG+1 folds, MP1 goes all in, but not enough to re-open action for UTG. Three callers including UTG!

Now the pot is around 900.

Turn is <font color="red">7</font>[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

UTG, with not much left, goes all in. MP2 calls. Now Glasses in LP wakes up and pushes! First time he did anything but call this hand. Called in the one spot, MP2, that is not already all in.

A crowd forms around the table.

River is a baby club. No board pair.

As is the habit, people are slow to act, but Glasses in LP shows 98 OFF SUIT for straight on turn. No one has the flush. He drags a huge pot. I guess 1500.

So most likely, if I got cards I was getting action.

Dinner

I will probably post a full trip report of eating. Maybe Travel, maybe here if demanded. I'll just mention for now that Chillee from the French forums suggested a place, Maison de L'Aubrac a short walk away, and I really enjoyed it. From bacon and goat cheese appetizer, to steak main course, to cheese course with port, the place delivered.

Thanks

Thanks to Chillee, not only for his restaurant recommendation, but his excellent thread Where to play poker in France ? in the French forum. It had the maps and everything else to make the trip easy. Merci!

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thanks for the TR - very well written

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Would read again. Nice one.

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Nice report. I have a silly question - is there any sort of entry fee or other barrier to getting in? You mentioned that you didn't have any trouble with the doorman - was that a dress code issue? Is the fact that it's a "club" just mean it's not a full-blown casino? Sorry for the newb questions but was just curious how it works

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Nice report. Sounds like a nice evening.

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Nice report. I have a silly question - is there any sort of entry fee or other barrier to getting in? You mentioned that you didn't have any trouble with the doorman - was that a dress code issue? Is the fact that it's a "club" just mean it's not a full-blown casino? Sorry for the newb questions but was just curious how it works

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OP can provide greater detail, but the Aviation Club is notorious for rejecting visitors for improper dress. My understanding is that you're OK so long as you're wearing a collared shirt, slacks, and nice leather shoes.

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I have a silly question - is there any sort of entry fee or other barrier to getting in? You mentioned that you didn't have any trouble with the doorman - was that a dress code issue?

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No entry fee.

As Poshua mentioned, a lot of posters here who visit ACF report running into problems beacause of attire. People have been told no because of sneakers on their feet, etc.

There were plenty of people dressed somewhat casual (jeans, or maybe a pullover sweater), but footwear were all leather shoes.

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It really is an archaic, double standard. When I was there, locals had "nice" tennis shoes, t-shirts, but sport coats over them and they had no problem. The smoking rule is abhorrent. The 1 and 9 seat cannot smoke because of proximity to the dealer, but it is alright to be in #5 and blow it right at him. In the tournaments, no one can smoke, but they stand immediately adjacent and blow it into the area anyway. Some of the tournament tabkes get placed in the hallway, where it is allright to smoke. Go figure. If you go to Paris, you have to try it, if for no other reason than to find another reason to dislike the French besides admiration of Jerry Lewis.

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The smoking rule is abhorrent. The 1 and 9 seat cannot smoke because of proximity to the dealer, but it is alright to be in #5 and blow it right at him. In the tournaments, no one can smoke, but they stand immediately adjacent and blow it into the area anyway. Some of the tournament tabkes get placed in the hallway, where it is allright to smoke.

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Does anyone know if the ban on smoking will include clubs like ACF?

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BDub1,

It is well known that ACF allows smoking and has a dress code. If you find that abhorrent and archaic, then please just don't go rather than using this as some justification for jingoism.

As it happens, even with ACF, this was the least cigarette smoke overall I encountered on a trip to Paris. The law changed this year to prohibit smoking in a lot of public places.

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What's the rake? And were all the holdem games no-limit? Were there no pot-limit or limit games?

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The rake was 5% of each pot with no cap that I could see. Absolutely sick, I know.

The games were all no-limit. Also on offer was a NLHE game with €2/€2 blinds, a €5/€5 dealer's choice game, and I believe a €5/€5 no limit game. I did not railbird the bigger games at all as I was lucky enough to get a seat quickly.

One other thing I forgot to mention were the numbers. Players spoke English and seemed willing to help, but it was easy to identify the chips in most bets, and the same numbers were used over and over again (8,16,20,24,30, etc) so I caught on.

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BDub1,

It is well known that ACF allows smoking and has a dress code. If you find that abhorrent and archaic, then please just don't go rather than using this as some justification for jingoism.

As it happens, even with ACF, this was the least cigarette smoke overall I encountered on a trip to Paris. The law changed this year to prohibit smoking in a lot of public places.

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Dude, you need to chill out. I have lots of reasons to dislike the French, the least of which is the smoking. Hey, I have few vices, leave me my racism, please.

My comments were meant to inform, and in fact, I do not play at ACF any longer, usually playing on the 1 or 2 trips I made each year. The smoking is miserable, and if these selfish [censored]$ don't understand the greater picture, then, hey, one more reason to dislike them. So, StevieG, take your singular trip to Paris, your lone experience playing at a mediocre casino (decorating sucks, food is abysmal, dress code is unevenly enforced, smoking is rampant) and continue playing your 2/4 limit games and post how great they are.

I was solely expressing my opinion. How this could be the least cigarette smoke you encountered when they banned smoking in most public places, makes me say, hmmmmm? Have a nice day

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How this could be the least cigarette smoke you encountered when they banned smoking in most public places, makes me say, hmmmmm?

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Bars and restaurants have until 2008 to adjust to the requirement. Some have already banned smoking, others have not.

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Dude, you need to chill out. I have lots of reasons to dislike the French, the least of which is the smoking. Hey, I have few vices, leave me my racism, please.

My comments were meant to inform, and in fact, I do not play at ACF any longer, usually playing on the 1 or 2 trips I made each year. The smoking is miserable, and if these selfish [censored]$ don't understand the greater picture, then, hey, one more reason to dislike them. So, StevieG, take your singular trip to Paris, your lone experience playing at a mediocre casino (decorating sucks, food is abysmal, dress code is unevenly enforced, smoking is rampant) and continue playing your 2/4 limit games and post how great they are.

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It's pretty clear from the above that racism isn't your only vice. Assuming that being a blowhard is a vice, that is.

Oh, and you are wrong about the food at the ACF. The restaurant is pretty decent, not Michelin-star level but certainly not "abysmal".

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Hello,

I live in Paris and am a regular in the ACF.

Rake is 2 for 10, 2 for 50, 2 for 100 and then 2 for each 100 euros up to 12 on 200 max and to 22 on 400 max.

Smoking is supposed to be forbiden starting in 2008 but we all know they will make some kind of exeption for that kind of places.

Its not the best place to play poker in Paris but its the most famous one. There is one club called "cercle Hausmann", they have some 5/10 going on at night, I dont have the bankroll to play it but compared to this the 1/2NL in vegas is full of rocks.

Dress code is the same for everyone and I think its quite good. Restaurant is decent and not overpriced, the steack Tartare is one of the best in Paris (at this price anyway).

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The rake was 5% of each pot with no cap that I could see. Absolutely sick, I know.

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Ahh yes, I almost forgot about that. There was one dealer that was pulling rake off of uncalled bets. I wasn't sure of the protocol, but he was doing it to everyone so I let it go. I did get bit by it my first time though.

I was in the 2/2 game, in the sb with KK, the player in the BB had been going over the top of me alot, it was folded around, I checked, he bet 6, I pushed five stacks of 20 in to put him all, he folds and the dealer grabs a chip off of each of my stacks and one from the pot. I paid 12 in rake to win a 10 pot.

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They rake uncalled bets? Wow! Never heard of that before. Does that happen anywhere in Vegas?

What's the ACF like for Omaha? Is there a 1/2 game? I've an open invite to stay with a French friend who's now living in Paris, and if I can get e500 together I'd like to check out the PLO.

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There are not supposed to rake uncalled bet as if you raise and steal the blinds they dont rake.

There is no 1/2 omaha game, I dont think there is omaha table anyway, omaha is part of a lot of mix game played at 5/5 and higher (along with omaha 5 cards, hi low, HE and courchevel which is omaha with the first card of the flop revealed pre flop).

There are sometimes a 2/4 tables with rotation HE PLO. I dont think I have ever seen a table only omaha at whatever stakes. I guess it can happens though but pretty rare if so.

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Today I got around to writing about my dining experiences during this trip.

I posted to the Travel forum. Here's a link:

Paris Trip Report - mostly dining, some pictures