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Djeorge 09-23-2007 07:14 PM

I fold a set
 
Villain wasn't too extraordinary he was like 20/5/4 or something over a small sample.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $203.95
BB: $191.80
UTG: $202.75
MP: $91.00
CO: $163.39
BTN: $202.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.00, BB checks

Flop: ($6) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $4.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, BB calls $12.00

Turn: ($38) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $26.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $52.00</font>, Hero calls $26.00

River: ($142) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets all-in for $121.80</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $263.80

comments on river plz. Could've raised preflop/lead flop/bet more on turn but I had my reasons.

Gullanian 09-23-2007 07:36 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
lol

shpanko 09-23-2007 07:38 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
Not the worst set fold I've ever seen

Nielsio 09-23-2007 07:39 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
Really looks like a flush.

I usually lead flop but I guess c/r can be ok too.

Imrahil 09-23-2007 07:39 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
I may just stack off on the turn. This spot isn't very fun.

shpanko 09-23-2007 07:39 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
The double busted straight draw got there on the turn as well.

SABR42 09-23-2007 07:40 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
He has a flush almost always, so this is fine. Thank him for giving you a great price on the turn.

AggJedi 09-23-2007 07:40 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
I would have folded the turn if he raised more. But I like the way this was played. You have good odds to fill up and your implied odds are enough to make this profitable.

radradrad 09-23-2007 07:43 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
BB all of a sudden likes his hand after the flop. Probably not drawing to a straight. Thus, he is likely doing one of 3 things: 1. bluffing, 2. drawing to a spade flush, 3. has top pair (10's). To me, it is more likely that he has a 10 than a flush draw considering he called the $12 bet. Of course it is possible that he flopped 2 pair. In either case, I bleieve his small bet on the flop, and subsequent call of the rather larger raise mean he was not on a flush draw. Therefore, I'd call the river.
That said -- I know you only wanted river comments, but I must also say that a bigger bet on the flop would have been prudent, especially because he is the BB and might feel more invested in the hand. I might have raised to $24 or $30. I always get mad at myself for sandbagging hands like this and chalk it up to being too greedy.

SABR42 09-23-2007 07:44 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
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I may just stack off on the turn. This spot isn't very fun.

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I think stacking off on the turn is pretty bad.

1) This is a limped pot, and villain can have any two spades in the BB.
2) Villain called a C/R on the flop, so his range is generally strong hands or strong draws.
3) Villain min-raises when the flush hits the turn.
4) Hero could easily have a flush himself, but villain doesn't seem to care.

How often are you ahead when you stack off on the turn under these circumstances?

ChimneyImp 09-23-2007 07:45 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
I disagree. This seems a lot more like a flush than a T or even two pair. Most (poor) players will draw to their flushes whether or not they're getting the proper (implied) odds.

SABR42 09-23-2007 07:46 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
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In either case, I bleieve his small bet on the flop, and subsequent call of the rather larger raise mean he was not on a flush draw. Therefore, I'd call the river.

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What? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

primate 09-23-2007 07:47 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
That turn is a disaster card. I'm seeing a showdown as cheaply as possible thereafter if at all. Unraised pot = give it up , good fold IMO.

spivey 09-23-2007 07:48 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
This is almost definitely a flush. A must fold.

Imrahil 09-23-2007 07:49 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
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I may just stack off on the turn. This spot isn't very fun.

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I think stacking off on the turn is pretty bad.

1) This is a limped pot, and villain can have any two spades in the BB.
2) Villain called a C/R on the flop, so his range is generally strong hands or strong draws.
3) Villain min-raises when the flush hits the turn.
4) Hero could easily have a flush himself, but villain doesn't seem to care.

How often are you ahead when you stack off on the turn under these circumstances?

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It depends on what I've seen him do during the session and if he's capable of having like AT or a straight.

keikiwai 09-23-2007 07:50 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
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I may just stack off on the turn. This spot isn't very fun.

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I think stacking off on the turn is pretty bad.

1) This is a limped pot, and villain can have any two spades in the BB.
2) Villain called a C/R on the flop, so his range is generally strong hands or strong draws.
3) Villain min-raises when the flush hits the turn.
4) Hero could easily have a flush himself, but villain doesn't seem to care.

How often are you ahead when you stack off on the turn under these circumstances?

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It depends on what I've seen him do during the session and if he's capable of having like AT or a straight.

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you mean just AT... if he has a straight, we're still screwed (or you think he's capable of raise folding a str8 on the turn?)

radradrad 09-23-2007 07:50 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
His call of the $12 would have been very loose if he was only on a flush draw. The poster said he was a fairly tight player (I think). Therefore, I don't put him on a flush.

Imrahil 09-23-2007 07:53 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
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I may just stack off on the turn. This spot isn't very fun.

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I think stacking off on the turn is pretty bad.

1) This is a limped pot, and villain can have any two spades in the BB.
2) Villain called a C/R on the flop, so his range is generally strong hands or strong draws.
3) Villain min-raises when the flush hits the turn.
4) Hero could easily have a flush himself, but villain doesn't seem to care.

How often are you ahead when you stack off on the turn under these circumstances?

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It depends on what I've seen him do during the session and if he's capable of having like AT or a straight.

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you mean just AT... if he has a straight, we're still screwed (or you think he's capable of raise folding a str8 on the turn?)

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DSLKKJS I was thinking a set &gt; a straight for some reason LOL. NM all I said. Played fine. I c/f river.

Djeorge 09-23-2007 08:05 PM

Re: I fold a set
 
Thanks for the responses guys.

Lordy 09-24-2007 02:04 AM

Re: I fold a set
 
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His call of the $12 would have been very loose if he was only on a flush draw. The poster said he was a fairly tight player (I think). Therefore, I don't put him on a flush.

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Wait what ? Calling with a flush draw getting 3-1 in position, with a lot of money behind is very loose ?


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