Some serious doubts about pokerstars...
 

Hello ,

I would like to bring to your attention some facts with regards to pokerstars and i would like to hear from you all what do you think about the following:


1. Greg raymer account was broken into several months ago,
the details of this break in were not addressed by pokerstars. they did not say a word about what had happened in a technical manner. I would expect a multy million $ company to find out when a person is trying 10,000 times to enter the wrong password. the fact that this happened without anyone noticing raising some serious doubts about the security level of pokerstars. could it be that some pokerstars worker gave him the password ?
could it be that the break in was to pokerstars database and not a brute force attack on greg's password ?

2. nikstar - a wcoop event winner 2006 never played before or after on pokerstars. except for that tournament where he took 46K . I find it very hard to belive but thank god for
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/ you can check it for yourself.

If you look at top 5 finishers of some events you will find out that some of them ( which took some $$ ) has no history at all of playing at pokerstars. just like nikstar.

3. I dont think that pokerstars is rigged , i think that they do not know what is going on , i think that a scenario of a hacking group breaking into their networks and seating there is very possible. I dont see how a password can be guessed without anyone seing some ALERTS on monitor . ( and this is not just another password were talking world champ password ) .

I might be wrong , and i hope , i realy hope i am wrong.

PS - i have excluded my self from playing on that site long time ago.

thanks ,

Sheshbeshon.

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1) Raymer's password was easily guessable with basic knowledge about him.

2) Meh don't know anything about this, but it doesn't suggest cheating to me.

3) Again I doubt it.

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could it be that the break in was to pokerstars database and not a brute force attack on greg's password ?

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Greg said in an NVG thread that his password could be easily guessed given his interests and was his own fault to some degree. So no brute force attack.

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2. nikstar - a wcoop event winner 2006 never played before or after on pokerstars. except for that tournament where he took 46K . I find it very hard to belive but thank god for
http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/ you can check it for yourself.

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link spam

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3. I dont think that pokerstars is rigged , i think that they do not know what is going on , i think that a scenario of a hacking group breaking into their networks and seating there is very possible.

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So stars doesn't rig it but someone else does right?



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I might be wrong , and i hope , i realy hope i am wrong.

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You are but we're not going to hold your hand and tell you ten times a day that everything's OK.


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PS - i have excluded my self from playing on that site long time ago.

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So to top off your post you admit you are a gambling addict and thus more likely than most to attribute your losses to conspiracy theories instead of bad play.


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thanks ,


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No, thank YOU. We hardly ever get thoughtful posts like yours.

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your answer is funny to me :

1. gregg works for pokerstars. i dont expect him to say anything that might put pokerstars in truble.

2. about your claim that i am a gambling addict - even if it is true that does not change the facts i have mentioned.

PS - unlike many many other people i can afford being a gamlbing addict without the risk of losing my money !

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Funny answe again -

easily gussable ?

It shows that you are clueless with regard to that...

lets say gregs password was 6 characters .

this means that it was 6 X 8bit/per char

this makes it 48 bits - which is 2^48 possibilities.
this is hard to guess...

even if you have the knowladge of something , this does not mean you will get the password on the first try.

most easy passwords are broken within 5000 tries. this is what we (people that know computers) consider as an very very very easy password.

dont you think the people in pokerstars should have seen Mr. world champ is trying to log in and cant do it for 100 times ?

if you think that the password was broken within 100 times
you are more ignorent then you think.

what ever greg said - pokerstars told him to say and approved it. he works for them.

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"2^48 possibilities"

what does that have to do with guessing? if someone says my password is 10 characters long and is the name of someone close to me, well that's easy to guess despite the length. you're thinking of time required for brute force attack, which previous posters here seem to think is not what happened.

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IT IS A BRUTE FORCE ATTACK EVEN IF HE NERROWED DOWN TO 1000 possibilites.

it is still brute force !

the guy did not know greg before that personally. so it had to take him a few 10's of guesses ? maybe a couple of hundrads ?

still - pokerstars should have known about it.

second - if it was that easy ? why pokestars did not comment on that incident ?

I have broken way way way to many passwords in my lifetime to know what is an "easy to guess" password looks like .

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Funny answe again -

easily gussable ?

It shows that you are clueless with regard to that...

lets say gregs password was 6 characters .

this means that it was 6 X 8bit/per char

this makes it 48 bits - which is 2^48 possibilities.
this is hard to guess...

even if you have the knowladge of something , this does not mean you will get the password on the first try.

most easy passwords are broken within 5000 tries. this is what we (people that know computers) consider as an very very very easy password.

dont you think the people in pokerstars should have seen Mr. world champ is trying to log in and cant do it for 100 times ?

if you think that the password was broken within 100 times
you are more ignorent then you think.

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Raymer is quoted saying that he thinks it would take about 100 guesses.

It would be nice if their system was set to lock accounts after 5 incorrect passwords are entered. To implement that they would have to make login names different from screen names. Why they haven't done this, I don't know.

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what ever greg said - pokerstars told him to say and approved it. he works for them.

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1) He has a sponsorship deal with them, he is not an employee.

2) I highly doubt he had to run things by stars before acknowledging what happened.

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still - pokerstars should have known about it.

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Who says they didn't?

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second - if it was that easy ? why pokestars did not comment on that incident ?

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Why do they need to comment? Raymer admitted that he choose his password poorly which allowed it to be guessed.

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It would be nice if their system was set to lock accounts after 5 incorrect passwords are entered.

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Stars might actually have a system in place to lock accounts (if it doesn't, I stand corrected - I just haven't tested it myself), but the person who hacked Greg's account might not have made every attempt in one session.

Typically, from my experience, if you screw up a password once or twice a day on website xyz, nothing happens. So, if this is the case with Stars, the hacker could have just spread the attempts over a few months.

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Stars might actually have a system in place to lock accounts (if it doesn't, I stand corrected - I just haven't tested it myself), but the person who hacked Greg's account might not have made every attempt in one session.

Typically, from my experience, if you screw up a password once or twice a day on website xyz, nothing happens. So, if this is the case with Stars, the hacker could have just spread the attempts over a few months.

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True, and this is something I hadn't thought of.

The only reason I doubt they have this is because we use the same name to login as we do to play. So I think if there were a feature like that we'd see a lot of trouble with locked accounts. Imagine how juicy you could make your games by getting all the regs' accounts locked.

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even if it is true that does not change the facts i have mentioned.

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R they really facts? So far they are not supported.

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IT IS A BRUTE FORCE ATTACK EVEN IF HE NERROWED DOWN TO 1000 possibilites.

it is still brute force !

the guy did not know greg before that personally. so it had to take him a few 10's of guesses ? maybe a couple of hundrads ?

still - pokerstars should have known about it.

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I’ve been curious about this myself. What might have happened is that Greg (like many people) has one password that he uses for most of his online accounts. If that’s the case, he may have signed up for an account on some discussion board or what have you, and those people said ‘I wonder if he uses the same password on his PokerStars account’. This is just speculation.

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Some serious doubts about pokerstars...

1. Where do all the nits come from?

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Lets put some common sense into this thread...

You think because a pros account was hacked its a big conspiracy theory? Do you have any idea how many hackers there are out there? Do you have any idea how many times someone has tried to hack a pro/rich Pokerstars players? The answer is a lot.

You act like this is the first hacking attempt and it worked. Peoples accounts get hacking attempts a lot, this is the first time it happened to a big name. It wasn't some inside job, Raymer had an easy password.

Also, you mention something about an employee maybe giving him the password? Passwords are embedded into a database. Just like Vbulletin, PHP, SMF. Noone knows your password. Thats why if you forget your password they never tell you it. They can only reset it and send you a new one.

Also, there is a thread on here about PokerStars secure IDs, Pokerstars will give you an ID # you type in when logging in. Im sure someone will find it for you.

Im sure if i tried hard enough i could guess his password. Im guessing it has to do with...champion, wsop, poker, raleigh, raymer, greg, his daughters name.

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2. nikstar - a wcoop event winner 2006 never played before or after on pokerstars. except for that tournament where he took 46K .
If you look at top 5 finishers of some events you will find out that some of them ( which took some $$ ) has no history at all of playing at pokerstars. just like nikstar.
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Why would they quit if they figured out a way to cheat their way to winning $40,000 plus? I guess they are not that smart afterall. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] Give it a rest!

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Lets put some common sense into this thread...

You think because a pros account was hacked its a big conspiracy theory? Do you have any idea how many hackers there are out there? Do you have any idea how many times someone has tried to hack a pro/rich Pokerstars players? The answer is a lot.

You act like this is the first hacking attempt and it worked. Peoples accounts get hacking attempts a lot, this is the first time it happened to a big name. It wasn't some inside job, Raymer had an easy password.

Also, you mention something about an employee maybe giving him the password? Passwords are embedded into a database. Just like Vbulletin, PHP, SMF. Noone knows your password. Thats why if you forget your password they never tell you it. They can only reset it and send you a new one.

Also, there is a thread on here about PokerStars secure IDs, Pokerstars will give you an ID # you type in when logging in. Im sure someone will find it for you.

Im sure if i tried hard enough i could guess his password. Im guessing it has to do with...champion, wsop, poker, raleigh, raymer, greg, his daughters name.

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Also just to add on to my post above. WCOOP #13is tomorrow. This is a $1000 buy in tournament that is going to get about 2,000 players. Pokerstars weekly $1000 tournament gets about 300 players. There is going to be an extra 1700 players in this event. How many of those have never played a tounrment there before? A lot.

The WCOOP gets a lot more players than normal tournaments. Also, you pick 1 event of the 23 and find a new player and cry its a conspiracy.

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Couple of pretty bad mistakes the OP made.
1st title of thread will do nothing but attract PS zealots and shills to flame .
2nd Posted a couple of concerns about PS thinking they might actually be addressed or even discussed in any normal way.

Sorry pal you had to expect to get flamed. Personally attacked and any blame for a site allowing someone to take 10k shots at someones PW being the account holders fault.

Never mind the other stuff you mentioned. No chance that will ever get discussed. There are so many more interesting things to bring up like 'are you a gambling addict?'

Good job PS shills I will obey and even now am learning the PS mantra 'PS has great customer service, great security and FPP are better than RB'

Did I miss anything?

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nikstar winngin 46k off 300$ in his first ever online tourny on stars is OUT OF CONTROL

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Lets put some common sense into this thread...

You think because a pros account was hacked its a big conspiracy theory? Do you have any idea how many hackers there are out there? Do you have any idea how many times someone has tried to hack a pro/rich Pokerstars players? The answer is a lot.

You act like this is the first hacking attempt and it worked. Peoples accounts get hacking attempts a lot, this is the first time it happened to a big name. It wasn't some inside job, Raymer had an easy password.

Also, you mention something about an employee maybe giving him the password? Passwords are embedded into a database. Just like Vbulletin, PHP, SMF. Noone knows your password. Thats why if you forget your password they never tell you it. They can only reset it and send you a new one.

Also, there is a thread on here about PokerStars secure IDs, Pokerstars will give you an ID # you type in when logging in. Im sure someone will find it for you.

Im sure if i tried hard enough i could guess his password. Im guessing it has to do with...champion, wsop, poker, raleigh, raymer, greg, his daughters name.

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Also just to add on to my post above. WCOOP #13is tomorrow. This is a $1000 buy in tournament that is going to get about 2,000 players. Pokerstars weekly $1000 tournament gets about 300 players. There is going to be an extra 1700 players in this event. How many of those have never played a tounrment there before? A lot.

The WCOOP gets a lot more players than normal tournaments. Also, you pick 1 event of the 23 and find a new player and cry its a conspiracy.

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I've got a great idea! Why don't you swap AIM IDs with this guy and you can then discus rigging theories with each other without the need to post them here? Great idea eh?

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Lets put some common sense into this thread...

You think because a pros account was hacked its a big conspiracy theory? Do you have any idea how many hackers there are out there? Do you have any idea how many times someone has tried to hack a pro/rich Pokerstars players? The answer is a lot.

You act like this is the first hacking attempt and it worked. Peoples accounts get hacking attempts a lot, this is the first time it happened to a big name. It wasn't some inside job, Raymer had an easy password.

Also, you mention something about an employee maybe giving him the password? Passwords are embedded into a database. Just like Vbulletin, PHP, SMF. Noone knows your password. Thats why if you forget your password they never tell you it. They can only reset it and send you a new one.

Also, there is a thread on here about PokerStars secure IDs, Pokerstars will give you an ID # you type in when logging in. Im sure someone will find it for you.

Im sure if i tried hard enough i could guess his password. Im guessing it has to do with...champion, wsop, poker, raleigh, raymer, greg, his daughters name.

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Also just to add on to my post above. WCOOP #13is tomorrow. This is a $1000 buy in tournament that is going to get about 2,000 players. Pokerstars weekly $1000 tournament gets about 300 players. There is going to be an extra 1700 players in this event. How many of those have never played a tounrment there before? A lot.

The WCOOP gets a lot more players than normal tournaments. Also, you pick 1 event of the 23 and find a new player and cry its a conspiracy.

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I've got a great idea! Why don't you swap AIM IDs with this guy and you can then discus rigging theories with each other without the need to post them here? Great idea eh?

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I said it wasnt rigged and OP was an idiot. Why dont you learn to read and then you can swap books with a 4 year old? K?

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Lets put some common sense into this thread...

You think because a pros account was hacked its a big conspiracy theory? Do you have any idea how many hackers there are out there? Do you have any idea how many times someone has tried to hack a pro/rich Pokerstars players? The answer is a lot.

You act like this is the first hacking attempt and it worked. Peoples accounts get hacking attempts a lot, this is the first time it happened to a big name. It wasn't some inside job, Raymer had an easy password.

Also, you mention something about an employee maybe giving him the password? Passwords are embedded into a database. Just like Vbulletin, PHP, SMF. Noone knows your password. Thats why if you forget your password they never tell you it. They can only reset it and send you a new one.

Also, there is a thread on here about PokerStars secure IDs, Pokerstars will give you an ID # you type in when logging in. Im sure someone will find it for you.

Im sure if i tried hard enough i could guess his password. Im guessing it has to do with...champion, wsop, poker, raleigh, raymer, greg, his daughters name.

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Also just to add on to my post above. WCOOP #13is tomorrow. This is a $1000 buy in tournament that is going to get about 2,000 players. Pokerstars weekly $1000 tournament gets about 300 players. There is going to be an extra 1700 players in this event. How many of those have never played a tounrment there before? A lot.

The WCOOP gets a lot more players than normal tournaments. Also, you pick 1 event of the 23 and find a new player and cry its a conspiracy.

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I've got a great idea! Why don't you swap AIM IDs with this guy and you can then discus rigging theories with each other without the need to post them here? Great idea eh?

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I said it wasnt rigged and OP was an idiot. Why dont you learn to read and then you can swap books with a 4 year old? K?

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Sorry, my post was aimed at the OP not you! I only quoted that bit bc you finished with "cry its a conspiracy"... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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My apologies too then.

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Funny answe again -

easily gussable ?

It shows that you are clueless with regard to that...

lets say gregs password was 6 characters .

this means that it was 6 X 8bit/per char

this makes it 48 bits - which is 2^48 possibilities.
this is hard to guess...

even if you have the knowladge of something , this does not mean you will get the password on the first try.

most easy passwords are broken within 5000 tries. this is what we (people that know computers) consider as an very very very easy password.

dont you think the people in pokerstars should have seen Mr. world champ is trying to log in and cant do it for 100 times ?

if you think that the password was broken within 100 times
you are more ignorent then you think.

what ever greg said - pokerstars told him to say and approved it. he works for them.

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Sorry but this is completely naive. I was a AOHaXoR back in the early-mid 90's and I could go into ANY full chat room (23) people and hack atleast 1-4 peoples passwords in that single chatroom, by reading their AOL profile, or trying 1234, 4321, love, or password.

So if Greag was using a simple password like one of his kids names, his pets name, his wifes name, his city name, a nickname, his favorite restaurant, food, athlete, or anything personal like that anyone with 10 minutes of google time could have cracked it even on the very first try.

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I doubt you would find his favourite restaurant in “ten minutes of Google time.”

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one would expect from some of the people here to understand the possibility .

all the answers here were not to the point at all . nothing but bashing and smashing.

expected more from 2+2 users.... i dont know why, but i allways thoght discussion here was different ....

never mind.

GL everyone.

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PS has most of the posters brainwashed/employed on this forum.
If you want a more positive response try bashing FTP instead.

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if you read my post , i never bashed pokerstars.

my claim is that this is possible and i can never know.
i never said it is rigged for sure. i wanted some discussion about it .

obviosly i came to the wrong place...

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my claim is that this is possible and i can never know.
i never said it is rigged for sure. i wanted some discussion about it.

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Why didn't you use the search function then? If you bothered to search then you might realize that their have been several of these same posts every week for the last few years. Nearly every so called 'discussion' just consists of the OP stubbornly refusing to listen to any of the arguments presented and it's just a total waste of time for everybody involved...

My own personal opinion is that most of the "OMG online poker is rigged posts" are from egotistical players who BELIEVE they SHOULD win and are not; hence their brain is incapable of accepting the facts and comes to the conclusion that it must be rigged against them. I've yet to see any OP accept this line of reasoning, so I don't bother posting the same old crap in each of these threads as it's totally futile... It's much easier to just ridicule the OP in the hope that they go away and stop cluttering the forum with YET ANOTHER so called 'discussion' on the riggeness of online poker... yawn, yawn, yawn...

There are many interesting (but unprovable) conspiracy theories out there that deserve some discussion, but I'm afraid to say that the "OMG online poker is rigged" theory is getting tiresome now.

Juk [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You're a complete moron. Raymer's password was very easy to guess by his own admission. It has been suggested that someone guessed over a long period to avoid triggering any suspicion.

Based on one account winning a big tournament and not playing again, you think stars has been hacked. Maybe he doesn't like tournaments and joined that one a whim and is now back to cash games? Maybe he's a fish and thinks he's "due" to lose now and so he isn't playing. Regardless, this one incident doesn't suggest any hacking or rigging or anything shady.

I don't even particularly care for pokerstars but even I think your concerns are ridiculous.

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The problem with OP's argument is that it isn't even internally consistent. Even if someone wanted to accept his points for the sake of argument and follow them to their natural conclusion they actually contradict each other.

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obviosly i came to the wrong place...

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Ah Ha I knew you would eventually get something right.

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Is somebody a losing player?

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Jamie Gold won the World Series. OMG its rigged.

Sorry, but I can't tell what your other points are. They are just too incoherent. My understanding of the Raymer incident is that his account was hacked, and he suggested that he was somewhat to blame by chosing a less than random password. Other than that, you haven't provided any details for anyone to determine whether PS is somehow to blame or not.

If you have some insight, please share it. But a new or bad player winning a big tourney would only surprise someone who doesn't actually play poker. Its gambling.

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nikstar winngin 46k off 300$ in his first ever online tourny on stars is OUT OF CONTROL

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Seriously, lets take a step back and think about this for a second. This should be the equivalent of trying to guess your opponents hand here, but the question is: Why does PokerStars run the World Series of Online Poker?

The answer:
1. Attract new people to their site with big payouts and bracelets, attempting to capitalize on the WSOP hype right now.
2. Convert those people who already use the play chip client into paying customers, attracting them to making their first real cash deposit.

Both of these results, if effective, should produce a lot of new people to PokerStars real money events... just like the WSOP in Vegas generates alot of new people there who are not used to throwing down $1,500-$10,000 to play a tournament. So it really should come as no surprise that there are people at the top of the list who have not recorded a lot of play on PokerStars tournaments.

This really means that their plan may be working a bit... and really fits with how PokerStars has grown from the beginning: Anyone can win, even with no experience. "Look, player x has never entered a real cash tournament, and just won $40k. Why don't you put your cash into our system too, and stop playing with those fake chips?"

Does this mean that PokerStars is somehow rigging these tournament newbies into winning? Uh, no. Look at the WPT or WSOP results from the last 5 years, and tell me how many of those players are professional poker players, and how many of them are green or even first time tournament players? They are FLOODED with newbies, which is why someone like Moneymaker and Raymer can make such a huge impact on this game: in poker, you can take an absolute nobody and in a week's time they have a real shot at being one of the most well known players in the game. (And I hardly think you can say WSOP or WPT is stacking the deck to make this happen...)

In the end, its very simple and requires absolutely no conspiracy theory, or hacker theory, or anything else Tom Clancy might write about.

Its just marketing, and business strategy. Plain, and simple. Make attractive events, attract more paying customers. Make more money.

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I doubt you would find his favourite restaurant in “ten minutes of Google time.”

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Your maybe right, I only spent 2 minutes trying and found 3 separate articles stating his favorite food is Korean. Maybe I could find an actual name if I spent 10 minutes, but Im not going to try. Obviously you missed the point or chose to ignore it.

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Good job PS shills I will obey and even now am learning the PS mantra 'PS has great customer service, great security and FPP are better than RB'
Did I miss anything?

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You missed that 'Full Tilt is full of bots'.

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How often do you guys log into your account from a different computer or IP address?

If you email them they'll tell you they are able to see what IP address you logged in from, but if you tell them to not allow your account to be acessed except from "this" IP address, support basically says "it's out of their hands".

Yes it is out of their hands; it's at the mercy of the hackers now... Well played security team, I just find it ludicrous that a simple security measure, such as singling out IP addresses can not be implemented.

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How often do you guys log into your account from a different computer or IP address?

If you email them they'll tell you they are able to see what IP address you logged in from, but if you tell them to not allow your account to be acessed except from "this" IP address, support basically says "it's out of their hands".

Yes it is out of their hands; it's at the mercy of the hackers now... Well played security team, I just find it ludicrous that a simple security measure, such as singling out IP addresses can not be implemented.

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You [censored] moron. Most ISPs will change your IP address from time to time, and most customers don't know if their ISP does this or not.

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You're a complete moron. Raymer's password was very easy to guess by his own admission. It has been suggested that someone guessed over a long period to avoid triggering any suspicion.

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Might not even be necessary. I would think any celebrity pro's account would get attacked dozens of times a day from computers all over the world. This attacker's attempts might not stand out at all, in any case.

Additionally, people with weak passwords tend to use the same password for multiple things and the overwhelming majority of them are "top 100" passwords. If you know of twenty accounts (forums, email accounts, poker sites, etc.), you've got a good shot if you just try five on each of the twenty accounts. If that doesn't work on Raymer, try Negreanu. If that doesn't work, try somebody else. If you do get a hit, try the same password on other accounts belonging to that person.

One thing that *won't* work is to try to get the password from an employee. It's unlikely that any site with any interest in security would ever want to see players' passwords. They just need a hash derived from the password so that they can compare the hash they received when you set your password to the one they received when you tried to log in.