Cheating from the \"Blind\"
 

Okay, first of all let me say that I am not talking about "blind" as in the position at the table...this guy is really blind. Here is the thing...

One of our local bars holds a weekly poker tourney, it is a very small buy-in ($5 entry...so the money is not the issue), and out of boredom I play from time to time. One of the regulars is a blind kid who likes to play and therefore the bar provides a set of braille cards. The guy in question has someone else shuffle for him, but always insists on dealing the cards himself. I noticed that when it was his deal, he would burn the top card before the action was done and then rub his finger over the top corner of the next card. This seemed odd to me, so after the tourney was over, I felt the top of the card and I could feel the indintations from the braille dots. I raised this concern to the bar staff and word got back to the kid. He was obviously upset at being accused of cheating. We talked about it and he defended himself by saying that it was virtually impossible to do this. He says that because all of the braille "code" is so similar and because he would be reading it upside down and backwards, it would be very difficult to do. The obvious solution would be that when he deals, he doesn't burn the top card until all of the action is completed and we agreed upon this. My question is this; would it really be this hard to do and has anyone else ever encountered something like this?

Thanks in advance for any input.

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He shouldn't have a brail deck, that is really ridiculous. He should have a reader like that guy in the WSOP

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"A nudge is as good as a wink to a blind bat."

"SAY NO MORE"

"nudge,nudge,wink,wink"

"Could be taken on holiday."

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lol

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The blind guy shouldn't be dealing at all - you should just have someone else deal in his place when it's his button. If there's any chance at all of him reading the back of a card, then the only cards he should touch are his own two.

Aside from that, I think the dealer (even in a player-dealt game) should be responsible for running that hand that he is dealing - making sure bets are right, following the action, pulling in the pot, pushing the pot, etc... It seems like this would be tough to do for someone who is blind.

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How does a blind guy pitch cards?

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How does a blind guy pitch cards?

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lol yeah..

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He's burning the card early and running his finger across the back of the braille markings? Of course he's cheating. Just tell him not to burn the card early. In fact, don't have him deal any cards since they are marked and a skilled braille reader can quickly identify which cards may be in play each time he deals a card.

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How does a blind guy pitch cards?

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Probably has others at the table slide the cards over.

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We talked about it and he defended himself by saying that it was virtually impossible to do this. He says that because all of the braille "code" is so similar and because he would be reading it upside down and backwards, it would be very difficult to do.

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I call [censored] on his defense. Here's how I look at it- if I know the cards are marked and a player knows about the marks, am I letting him deal?

No way in hell. I think ANYONE could start picking up on the marks (backwards-scmackwards) after a while.

Has it affected the play, that you've seen?

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Burning a card before any action has been taken takes off the actual idea of that card!
In the league I am playing a lot of players tend to do so as well, but it shouldn't be allowed, 'cause if the card were marked anybody (and the dealer himself at best) could see the card to come!

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Burning a card before any action has been taken takes off the actual idea of that card!
In the league I am playing a lot of players tend to do so as well, but it shouldn't be allowed, 'cause if the card were marked anybody (and the dealer himself at best) could see the card to come!

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I know it's completely ridiculous. In fact I think I'll start a new thread.

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It has seemed to affect his win rate...although this could just be variance with him running lucky. I guess it was just the idea that I may have been cheated. I have never played in a game where I honestly felt like cheating was going on.

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I know it seems so obvious. I just wasn't able to find anything about braille readers being able to cheat this way. Just wanted some input so that I could feel like I am not being too paranoid! Thanks for the feedback.

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play a trick on him and give him the 2nd nuts (say quads)and you pull up two different cards to what he dealt you to make a SF maybe. when he bitches you can punch him in the kidneys and tell him cheats never prosper.

and if he has the gall to say that wasn;t the hand he dealt you you've got him

Its a tarp!

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You all can cheat easily on him and he has to trust you. So dont bother, if he IS cheating, he gains some advantage, but it shouldnt be too big. And of course the card has to be burned AFTER the preflop action is over.

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You all can cheat easily on him and he has to trust you.

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This is only true if they are all cheating him. One player can't get away with cheating him if the others aren't cooperative. But he alone can get away with cheating all of them.

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I think you handled it fine. There is no reason he should be buring a card before he needs to deal the flop/turn/river. He put himself in a position to be doubted.

The agreement you both came to of him following proper procedure will work for everyone and you can now live happily ever after.

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I think you handled it fine. There is no reason he should be buring a card before he needs to deal the flop/turn/river. He put himself in a position to be doubted.

The agreement you both came to of him following proper procedure will work for everyone and you can now live happily ever after.

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Except for the likely possibility that he can read each players cards as he pitches them.

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backwards-scmackwards

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I call +HI577nq on his defense!

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i would saw one of the legs off his chair while he was playing and then tie his guide dog under the chair so that when he leant forward in a bold aggresive raise( with the nuts because he is cheating) he would kill his only friend in the world.then explain the why you did that as you are kicking him in the stomach with steel capped boots.

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i would saw one of the legs off his chair while he was playing and then tie his guide dog under the chair so that when he leant forward in a bold aggresive raise( with the nuts because he is cheating) he would kill his only friend in the world.then explain the why you did that as you are kicking him in the stomach with steel capped boots.

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Or you could not let him deal. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. I think we're really on the same wavelength here.

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the guy behind him deals.

problem solved

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No one should be burning before the action is completed anyway, as that totally defeats the purpose of burning in the 1st place.

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if there was a blind guy at my table i would palm his chips when i passed them to him and deal him all seconds and bottoms..not like he's see it

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if there was a blind guy at my table i would palm his chips when i passed them to him and deal him all seconds and bottoms..not like he's see it

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omg, you sure would own that blind guy! rob him blind!

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what i find amazing is that they actually make a brail set of playing cards... and that you found several other people who were willing to play in a game with them.


if he has a good memory, he knows all your hole cards every time he deals.