Looking at other\'s card. It\'s ok?
 

2 days ago I was playing cash games in a private club with 2 nl tables with semi-pro dealer. In one hand, I raised pre-flop and bet the flop and 4th street with TPTK against 2 opponents, 2 calling station at my right. Just before the dealer dealt the river, one of them took a peak again at his cards and I could see that he has hit trips.

So anyway they both check to me and obviously I didnt value bet. So I took advantage of him lifting his cards too high for the rest of the night. Can the dealer warn me about this if they notice. I would also like to know at the same time for the dealers at the B&M casino. Is this ok to take advantage or is this cheating and im a POS?

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It's the player's responsibility to protect his hand. If you don't have to change your position to see his cards, there's nothing wrong with using the information he's giving away. In a smililar thread, most people said they'd give a guy one warning.

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I'd let him know what is he is doing once.

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Give guy one warning, then proceed as you wish.
Personally, I still try to avoid looking where I may see their cards. That information isn't available to everyone, so it isn't really fair to the rest of the table.

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I must be a POS. If an old donk is sitting next to me, and i see his cards.....I aint telling him until he leaves the table.

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Telling him is fine. Just do it next time you see him doing it. Telling him during the hand will only anger him more.

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When I get in situation like this:

I wait until hand is over..."hey, just wanted to let you know that you sometimes flash me your cards when you peek."

That'll be the first and last time I mention it. Either he fixes it or I get info from then on.

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I tend to look away if they are doing that sort of thing. It is their responsibility to protect.

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I must be a POS. If an old donk is sitting next to me, and i see his cards.....I aint telling him until he leaves the table.

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you tell him AFTER he leaves?

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I guess I'm just a jerk because I don't tell them and use it to my advantage. If they're willing to take my money I use all of the information I can gather. Now, I may not raise in a situation to extract maximum value (the old shear a sheep numerous times and skin it once belief), but otherwise everything is fair game.

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i've had it happen before. usually tell them once. then i have no problem taking advantage if i don't have to contort myself to actually see the cards. i won't go out of my way, but i won't NOT use the info if i have it.

as far as it not being fair because other people don't have the same advantage - you could say the same thing about isolating a maniac on your left. not everybody has the same positional advantage, but it doesn't mean it's wrong for you to use it.

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Are you making it a point to look at his cards from the first flash? Even if you are, I wouldn't consider you a POS. You seeing the trips seems like it saved you money, so I would offer the warning one afterwards. If he doesn't learn forever after that its his fault.

The only time its happened to me is when (it seemed) a guy was trying to flash his cards to the people sitting behind him watching. I never did tell him but mostly because I was tight and he was lose (boredom). It was mostly to watch but I was gathering info.

With that I would probably say I would give a warning, but I might not. I'm not there (B&M) to be nice an polite, but I still act that way always. Home games are a different story, you said a private club so IDN how friendly the game is.

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Last week in the Commerce 9/18 game the guy in seat 9 nicely says to guy in seat 1 "Excuse me Sir, but jsut to let you know, I can see your cards by the way you are holding them" Seat 1 says "huh" seat 9 repeats it to him and he shrugs and says "whatever" Seat 1 says "okay then".

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If I see somebody's cards I'll tell them once after the hand is over. I'll never tell them more than once as long as I know them.

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The first time I saw his card, I was looking at my 2 opponents for tells and it happened at the same time his cards was showing. I didnt told him, and I srlsy wonder if I can tell someone who shows his cards to be carefull next time.

The players there all know each other but not really close friend, its very similar to a b&m environment.

And what about the dealers in a B&M casino? Can they give me a warning if they notice I have my eyes often on others players hole cards while they take a peak?

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the dealer's aren't likely to notice and I don't think they have a responsibility or desire to do anything about it. they have a lot of stuff to keep track of besides just dealing cards (size of pot, rake, who's action, etc)

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as far as it not being fair because other people don't have the same advantage - you could say the same thing about isolating a maniac on your left. not everybody has the same positional advantage, but it doesn't mean it's wrong for you to use it.

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If you believe that having a positional advantage in a hand is no different from cheating your opponents, than you are a douchebag whose parents failed miserably from the moment they decided to keep you after that fateful, drunken night.

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i've had it happen before. usually tell them once. then i have no problem taking advantage if i don't have to contort myself to actually see the cards. i won't go out of my way, but i won't NOT use the info if i have it.

as far as it not being fair because other people don't have the same advantage - you could say the same thing about isolating a maniac on your left. not everybody has the same positional advantage, but it doesn't mean it's wrong for you to use it.

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Except that by rule if you see a card others are supposed to get to see it. So its not like the advantage of having a maniac on your left.

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Its happened to me before, I didn't say anything. I was never in the hand when I saw them.

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the dealer's aren't likely to notice and I don't think they have a responsibility or desire to do anything about it. they have a lot of stuff to keep track of besides just dealing cards (size of pot, rake, who's action, etc)

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One night, I was in the 6 seat. The player in the 5 seat was very careless about looking at her cards. I couldn't help but see them as she looked at them after every street and they were right in my line of sight when I looked at the board cards. Dealer picked up on this and warned her about how she looked at her cards. When he warned her a second time he said if she does it again he'll have to turn her cards up for everyone to see. Interesting call, and I could really see nothing wrong with it if he had to do that.

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I guess I'm just a douchebag as well. If I pick up a tell on an opponent I'm supposed to share it with the table? If the guy is flashing on purpose then the rest of the players should see the cards as well, but this isn't the case. I sit down I'm there to collect chips and anything fair goes. It's not my fault my opponent doen't protect his cards. Now I'm not leaning over or doing anything sneaky to see the cards, but if they're flashing in my face I'm not about to ignore it.

Zen and the art of Poker: Rule #62 "Good poker is not a gentleman's game it is war.

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One night, I was in the 6 seat. The player in the 5 seat was very careless about looking at her cards. I couldn't help but see them as she looked at them after every street and they were right in my line of sight when I looked at the board cards. Dealer picked up on this and warned her about how she looked at her cards. When he warned her a second time he said if she does it again he'll have to turn her cards up for everyone to see. Interesting call, and I could really see nothing wrong with it if he had to do that.

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Dealer seems pretty out of line here.

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If i notice a "rubber necker" i will make one general..."one player to a hand, PLEASE" statment just as it occurs next.

If the offender doesnt take notice that IVE noticed, i will, on the next occassion state, "eyes on your own hands ONLY..." usually while making eye contact with the offender.
At this point i will tell the player whos cards are being seen that they need to be carefull in protecting their hand as they view it.

If it continues , i ask the floor to clarify to the player how to protect their hand.

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As I've responded in previous threads on the topic, I warn players once, unless they are clearly intoxicated. I have no sympathy for anyone who chooses to gamble when drunk.

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First time it happens -- if my cards are still live, I use the information, I don't go out of my way to see another players cards, but if it happens, either he has to be at a disadvantage (I've seen his cards), or I have to be at a disadvantage (Pretending to ignore information that I have). Between him or me being at a disadvantage, it's going to be him.

Otherwise, the first time I see someone's cards when I wasn't still in the hand, I warn him -- once.

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First time it happens -- if my cards are still live, I use the information, I don't go out of my way to see another players cards, but if it happens, either he has to be at a disadvantage (I've seen his cards), or I have to be at a disadvantage (Pretending to ignore information that I have). Between him or me being at a disadvantage, it's going to be him.

Otherwise, the first time I see someone's cards when I wasn't still in the hand, I warn him -- once.

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this is what i'm getting at. it's not my responsibility to avoid looking at his cards. and i'm not going to go out of my way to avoid seeing his cards.

if he DOES flash me his cards, and i've told him once already, i'm not going to play like i don't know his cards.

i trust the other players at the table to yell at him after that. i've already publicly warned the guy he's flashing. if the table doesn't like the fact that i'm unwillingly getting a look at another player's cards, it's not my job to do anything more about it.

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Playing at Harrah's in AC, I warned the guy to my right that I could occasionally see his cards. The floor manager overheard and hovered for the next several hands. The manager reminded the guy when he started doing it again.

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The rule at Canterbury Park is that if one player sees another's cards, then everyone sees them. I assume that this is the rule in other places but that it's not universal.

I used to warn people once and then they were on their own. I now warn them every time, and I make an effort not to see their cards. The problem isn't that you're using this information against them. It's their responsibility to protect their hand, after all. The problem is that you can use this information against the other players, and that is what makes it unethical. The arguments comparing this to, say, spotting a tell that someone else doesn't don't hold water. For the most part, people have a somewhat unobstructed view of each other at the poker table. If a guy fails to pick up on a tell because he's distracted by the TV or the cocktail waitress, that's his problem. The information is available and it's up to him to obtain it. The guy on the other side of the table can't see your neighbor's hole cards, and there's nothing he can do about that.