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I am a politics forum newbie, please help me keep this thread on track because i find this topic very interesting. Hopefully you will too.

Iran's controversial President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made a request to visit Ground Zero during his trip to NYC next week. Every politician under the sun has condemned his request, and it was denied by the NYC Police Department under the grounds that it is a construction zone off limits to everyone. According to the Iranian mission Ahmadinejad wants to pay his respects by laying a reef.

"It is appalling that President Ahmadinejad, one of the world's leading sponsors of terror, would find it appropriate to visit this hallowed ground," State Department spokesman Tom Casey said.

only problem with that thought process is:

1) al Qaeda is a Sunni movement which opposes Iran's [censored] government. Iran's government has imprisoned numerous al Qaeda operatives, and there is rumor that they have actually cooperated behind the scenes with prisoner exchanges in partnership with the US.
2) Iran was a partner with the US in the Afghanistan raids to topple the Taliban
3) Mohammed Khatami condemned the bombing of the towers on 9/11
4) If there ever was an opportunity to reason with Ahmadinejad, this is it.

Yes its offensive to the average American, but am i the only one who sees the benefits of communication with Ahmadinejad? Something tells me I am probably standing alone in my belief that we have more to gain than lose by allowing him to visit the trade center.

On a related note there is nothing stopping him that I am aware of from entering the PATH station which is part of Ground Zero. If Ahmadinejad wants to he could ignore the snub and lay his wreath anyway so isn't this all a bit ridiculous?

Whats your opinion?

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The guy's been protrayed, rightly or wrongly, as Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Having him go to Ground Zero would be political dynamite for the administration.

Allowing him to visit Ground Zero could be a way toward diffusing the tensions betwen the two countries. Which is why we won't allow it.

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Do you have a link? I hadn't heard about this yet. I agree with the points you're making 100%. It's extremely sad and a bit terrifying that the social and political situation in the US is such that we would squander a gesture like this.

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I see no reason not to let him go. Then again, I see no reason we shouldn't be talking to him in the first place....

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Ahmadinejad letter.

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September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?

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Gee, Thanks for the Penny....
 

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2) Iran was a partner with the US in the Afghanistan raids to topple the Taliban

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There was nothing altruistic about this.
Having a radical Sunni country next to a radical Shia nation is a formula for war. It was like Stalin helping to take Hitler out. Calling Iran a "partner" is a huge stretch. Right now our "partner" has been smuggling shape charges into Iraq which has been VERY effective in slicing through Humvee armor killing US troops.

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3) Mohammed Khatami condemned the bombing of the towers on 9/11

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Do you believe this was sincere?
If so you are naive. This places you in the gullibility hall-of-fame next to Neville Chamberlain. Have you ever heard the expression 'actions speak louder than words'? Lets look at Iran's actions.
1. Mfg and smuggles shaped charges into Iraq killing US/UK troops.
2. Sends in Iranian agents to forment the Shia insurgency.
3. Has engage in several border fire fights with US/UK troops.
4. Seizing of UK sailors TWICE claiming they supposedly ventured into Iranian waters.
5. Has pledged to eradicate Israel from the face of the earth.

His need to place a wreath at the world trade center site is just a propaganda ploy to fool the gullible nitwit peaceniks. It a is a MEANINGLESS gesture. A MEANIFUL gesture would be to stop killing US troops in Iraq and stop assassinating pro-western leaders in Lebanon....

Based on your argument I should be able to suckerpunch you with spiked brass knuckles, give you a penny, and then you should express gratitude that I gave you a penny....

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The guy's been protrayed, rightly or wrongly, as Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Having him go to Ground Zero would be political dynamite for the administration.

Allowing him to visit Ground Zero could be a way toward diffusing the tensions betwen the two countries. Which is why we won't allow it.

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Bingo.

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i am part of the crowd that thinks ahmadinejad is the scum of the earth, and am skeptical he could possibly have anything but a bad motive.

however obviously our "we hate everyone" approach has sucked. maybe this is an opportunity to have a genuine moment, and perhaps help him and the rest of the world identify with us just a little bit.

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Something tells me I am probably standing alone in my belief that we have more to gain than lose by allowing him to visit the trade center.

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You're not. Certainly we need to watch our backs, but allowing the wreath isn't automatically going to mean we trust him or even remotely like him anyways.

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We don't normally run propaganda for countries we aren't friendly with

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Do you have a link? I hadn't heard about this yet.

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Its all over the net right now - link

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i am part of the crowd that thinks ahmadinejad is the scum of the earth, and am skeptical he could possibly have anything but a bad motive.

however obviously our "we hate everyone" approach has sucked. maybe this is an opportunity to have a genuine moment, and perhaps help him and the rest of the world identify with us just a little bit.

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I think you just nailed my POV exactly, our diplomacy has failed, sometimes you have to give a little to get a little. We have more to gain from trying to be diplomatic than Ahmadinejad gains from his photo op - which he can get regardless if he is not granted permission (anyone who has ever been to Ground Zero knows its impossible to stop this from happening). He also gains from telling the world that we denied his request. Sounds like a win-win for him, the only way to defeat his goal is to counter it with kindness.

Interestingly enough yesterday a General was quoted that the US could live with a nuclear powered Iran, after all we have lived with a nuclear China, Russia, Pakistan, etc etc etc. I wish I had a link, I think I read it on MSNBC. Of course he prefers that Iran does not become a nuclear power, but in his eyes we can adjust our defense to counter this new concern.

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i am part of the crowd that thinks ahmadinejad is the scum of the earth, and am skeptical he could possibly have anything but a bad motive.

however obviously our "we hate everyone" approach has sucked. maybe this is an opportunity to have a genuine moment, and perhaps help him and the rest of the world identify with us just a little bit.

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I think you just nailed my POV exactly, our diplomacy has failed, sometimes you have to give a little to get a little. We have more to gain from trying to be diplomatic than Ahmadinejad gains from his photo op - which he can get regardless if he is not granted permission (anyone who has ever been to Ground Zero knows its impossible to stop this from happening). He also gains from telling the world that we denied his request. Sounds like a win-win for him, the only way to defeat his goal is to counter it with kindness.

Interestingly enough yesterday a General was quoted that the US could live with a nuclear powered Iran, after all we have lived with a nuclear China, Russia, Pakistan, etc etc etc. I wish I had a link, I think I read it on MSNBC. Of course he prefers that Iran does not become a nuclear power, but in his eyes we can adjust our defense to counter this new concern.

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Ahmadinejad only does what is good for Ahmadinejad. Whatever happens is a win for him:

'I laid a wreath at the site of the attacks for the innocent victims'

'I was not allowed to lay a wreath at the site of the attacks in memory of the innocent victims'

Either works equally well for him and he'll use it for both international and Iranian consumption. Whatever his 'request' is it is not, imo, an attempt to reach out to the U.S.

If I were in charge I'd loudly proclaim:

'This is America. People in America are free to do whatever they want to do and we extend the same freedom to our visitors who act within the bounds of the law. He can go and do whatever he wants to.'

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TT, you're not alone in your thinking at all...

I'd really like to hear the reasoning of those that say Ahmadi-Najad is a bad guy... I don't understand where this... [ QUOTE ]
Ahmadinejad only does what is good for Ahmadinejad.

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Sounds like a jerk reaction fashioned by media.

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TT, you're not alone in your thinking at all...

I'd really like to hear the reasoning of those that say Ahmadi-Najad is a bad guy... I don't understand where this... [ QUOTE ]
Ahmadinejad only does what is good for Ahmadinejad.

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Sounds like a jerk reaction fashioned by media.

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It comes from reading what comes out of his own mouth and from having the ability to call a spade a spade without worrying about having to appear to be sensitive and understanding.

I'd like to hear the reasoning of those that say he's not a bad guy.

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The guy is a holocaust denier and I believe that he is a great fan of the "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" (can someone confirm this?)and thus probably thinks 9/11 was some Zionist scheme to take over the world. You know, similar to what Nielso et al spew about the Federal Reserve and international bankers (which also has anti-semitic undertones). Thus on this basis he should be ridiculed and slandered for making such a gesutre... but should still be allowed to do it.

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You know, similar to what Nielso et al spew about the Federal Reserve and international bankers (which also has anti-semitic undertones).

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you should amend that statement to explicitly say that you are not accusing nielso of being anti-semitic.

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I think this should turn into the "Why is/isn't Ahmadinejad an evil man" thread. Cuz, if'n you read the whole story, it states clearly, or at least did on the yahoo page I read, that ALL foreign diplomats/leaders are barred from visiting the WTC site because of construction. It has been this way since before he asked for permission. To me, if ever there was a non-story, it was this. Or Bill Maher making fun of Lactivists.

To me, this is about as interesting a story as if Brad Pitt called the White House to ask if he could take a poo on the president's desk. "Sorry," they'd say, "at this time, we're not allowing anyone to poo on the president's desk." "Oh," he'd reply, "now I know, and knowing is half the battle!"

Well, he may not say that, but it illustrates how someone learning something isn't exactly news.

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I am a politics forum newbie, please help me keep this thread on track because i find this topic very interesting. Hopefully you will too.

Iran's controversial President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made a request to visit Ground Zero during his trip to NYC next week. Every politician under the sun has condemned his request, and it was denied by the NYC Police Department under the grounds that it is a construction zone off limits to everyone. According to the Iranian mission Ahmadinejad wants to pay his respects by laying a reef.

"It is appalling that President Ahmadinejad, one of the world's leading sponsors of terror, would find it appropriate to visit this hallowed ground," State Department spokesman Tom Casey said.

only problem with that thought process is:

1) al Qaeda is a Sunni movement which opposes Iran's [censored] government. Iran's government has imprisoned numerous al Qaeda operatives, and there is rumor that they have actually cooperated behind the scenes with prisoner exchanges in partnership with the US.
2) Iran was a partner with the US in the Afghanistan raids to topple the Taliban
3) Mohammed Khatami condemned the bombing of the towers on 9/11
4) If there ever was an opportunity to reason with Ahmadinejad, this is it.

Yes its offensive to the average American, but am i the only one who sees the benefits of communication with Ahmadinejad? Something tells me I am probably standing alone in my belief that we have more to gain than lose by allowing him to visit the trade center.

On a related note there is nothing stopping him that I am aware of from entering the PATH station which is part of Ground Zero. If Ahmadinejad wants to he could ignore the snub and lay his wreath anyway so isn't this all a bit ridiculous?

Whats your opinion?

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With him basically being a leading advocate of holocaust denial IMO (which makes him a total nut job), I'm actually worried that he'd go there and thump his chest, condemn the U.S., and come down on the side of the government conspiracy adocates in 9/11.

Why Ground Zero has to be politicized more than it has is beyond me. I'll admit that to a degree it's been politicized already but we need less of that not more of it.

I'd just tell him that when Iran grants equal rights for men and women I'd consider his request further.

Iran: Prevent Stoning of Condemned Mother


Kiani and Ebrahimi were convicted of adultery 11 years ago and sentenced to death by stoning by Branch 1 of the Criminal Court in Takistan, a city in the north central province of Ghazvin. On June 20, 2007, Ayatollah Shahrudi issued a written order staying the execution, which had been scheduled for the following day. Previously, in 2002, he had ordered a moratorium on executions by stoning to Iran’s judges.

Does anyone know if this Human Rights Watch request to stop the execution of this woman for adultery by stoning was honored?

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You know, similar to what Nielso et al spew about the Federal Reserve and international bankers (which also has anti-semitic undertones).

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you should amend that statement to explicitly say that you are not accusing nielso of being anti-semitic.

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Yeah, probably. I would have replaced Neilso with "X" but It won't let me edit now. I don't really know what Neilso's view is so that was dumb. But its certainly the view of many video's hes linked such as Zeitgeist and that dude who died recently.

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The guy's been protrayed, rightly or wrongly, as Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Having him go to Ground Zero would be political dynamite for the administration.

Allowing him to visit Ground Zero could be a way toward diffusing the tensions betwen the two countries. Which is why we won't allow it.

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QFT. Possibly the first time I've agreed with Andy here.

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imo, letting the guy visit the site is a slap in the face to the dead.

he's a leading sponsor of terror, a vicious holocaust denier, his military is actively supporting and operating with opposition groups in iraq that are killing american troops, and by his own admission looks forward to the day when his 12th Imam rides to glory on his f'n winged horse to make vengeance upon us infidels and make the world a perfect islamic society. can't wait for that!

there is no reasoning or dealing with such people. the only invite this guy needs is an up close and personal meeting with a .50 caliber peacekeeper.

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imo, letting the guy visit the site is a slap in the face to the dead.

he's a leading sponsor of terror, a vicious holocaust denier, his military is actively supporting and operating with opposition groups in iraq that are killing american troops, and by his own admission looks forward to the day when his 12th Imam rides to glory on his f'n winged horse to make vengeance upon us infidels and make the world a perfect islamic society. can't wait for that!

there is no reasoning or dealing with such people. the only invite this guy needs is an up close and personal meeting with a .50 caliber peacekeeper.

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You give reasons that could very easily be altered to refer to George Bush... religious fanatic, blood of American troops on his hand, leading contributor to terrorism, dislikes non-Christians and subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture .

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We don't normally run propaganda for countries we aren't friendly with

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I envy your style. You say in one sentence what takes others an entire book to communicate...

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I think a teary, Ground Zero-side reconciliation between Ahmedinawhatever and Bush is pretty damn unlikely. This is just a PR stunt, and there's no reason to let this go on.

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The guy's been protrayed, rightly or wrongly, as Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Having him go to Ground Zero would be political dynamite for the administration.

Allowing him to visit Ground Zero could be a way toward diffusing the tensions betwen the two countries. Which is why we won't allow it.

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Correct

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Either works equally well for him and he'll use it for both international and Iranian consumption. Whatever his 'request' is it is not, imo, an attempt to reach out to the U.S.

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I don't think anyone actually views this as an attempt to reach out to the US, however its a good opportunity for us to reach out to him. By us I mean the American people, not the bureaucrats... let the human side take over. Its not the time or place for a tour by Rice of course, there are other solutions.

A little background on Ahmadinejad because it might be relevent, he is a known manipulator. He was at odds with the conservative Imans so at risk of losing power he embraced conservatism and changed his style. I also read that the denial of holocaust statements were never recorded before he was in charge, its likely that he does not believe the things he is saying - oddly which makes him a more dangerous man. Ahmadinejad is generally hated by other Shiite and Sunni nations because he is helping to empower Iran to take control of the Sunni base, Ahmadinejad's vision is for Iran to be the center of control Shiite people everywhere... hence the rhetoric about Israel; its all political in the end.

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Reach out to him and say what?

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i recently read that Ahmadinejad challenged Bush to a debate of some sorts and white house completely ignored his request. Shame Bush would completely embarrass himself if this type of debate would go on. Ahmadinejad is a pretty smart guy.
Nothing wrong can come from communicating with your enemies, even if you are giving them a publicity opportunity.

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Our US government leaders have not been, nor will they be, the 'bigger person' anytime soon.

We could act with class, with dignity, and extend our country's freedom and goodwill even to a person that may be despised by many.

This is not going to happen, though. For the last few years, our foreign relations policy is the equivalent of 6th grade popularity contests.

We have not acted with class in quite a while, and many are proud of this fact. It's sad.

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imo, letting the guy visit the site is a slap in the face to the dead.

he's a leading sponsor of terror, a vicious holocaust denier, his military is actively supporting and operating with opposition groups in iraq that are killing american troops, and by his own admission looks forward to the day when his 12th Imam rides to glory on his f'n winged horse to make vengeance upon us infidels and make the world a perfect islamic society. can't wait for that!

there is no reasoning or dealing with such people. the only invite this guy needs is an up close and personal meeting with a .50 caliber peacekeeper.

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You give reasons that could very easily be altered to refer to George Bush... religious fanatic, blood of American troops on his hand, leading contributor to terrorism, dislikes non-Christians and subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture .

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o.k. you can float your boat anyway you choose.

i happen to disagree that bush is a...

"religious fanatic", has "blood of American troops on his hand", is a "leading contributor to terrorism", that he "dislikes non-Christians" and I have no idea whether he "subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture"

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imo, letting the guy visit the site is a slap in the face to the dead.

he's a leading sponsor of terror, a vicious holocaust denier, his military is actively supporting and operating with opposition groups in iraq that are killing american troops, and by his own admission looks forward to the day when his 12th Imam rides to glory on his f'n winged horse to make vengeance upon us infidels and make the world a perfect islamic society. can't wait for that!

there is no reasoning or dealing with such people. the only invite this guy needs is an up close and personal meeting with a .50 caliber peacekeeper.

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You give reasons that could very easily be altered to refer to George Bush... religious fanatic, blood of American troops on his hand, leading contributor to terrorism, dislikes non-Christians and subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture .

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o.k. you can float your boat anyway you choose.

i happen to disagree that bush is a...

"religious fanatic", has "blood of American troops on his hand", is a "leading contributor to terrorism", that he "dislikes non-Christians" and I have no idea whether he "subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture"

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You're entitled to your opinion as long as you ignore his policy and don't listen to his speeches. Once you've done either of these things, it's not a matter of a opinion anymore, at least for the majority of the issues listed above.

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imo, letting the guy visit the site is a slap in the face to the dead.

he's a leading sponsor of terror, a vicious holocaust denier, his military is actively supporting and operating with opposition groups in iraq that are killing american troops, and by his own admission looks forward to the day when his 12th Imam rides to glory on his f'n winged horse to make vengeance upon us infidels and make the world a perfect islamic society. can't wait for that!

there is no reasoning or dealing with such people. the only invite this guy needs is an up close and personal meeting with a .50 caliber peacekeeper.

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You give reasons that could very easily be altered to refer to George Bush... religious fanatic, blood of American troops on his hand, leading contributor to terrorism, dislikes non-Christians and subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture .

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o.k. you can float your boat anyway you choose.

i happen to disagree that bush is a...

"religious fanatic", has "blood of American troops on his hand", is a "leading contributor to terrorism", that he "dislikes non-Christians" and I have no idea whether he "subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture"

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You're entitled to your opinion as long as you ignore his policy and don't listen to his speeches. Once you've done either of these things, it's not a matter of a opinion anymore, at least for the majority of the issues listed above.

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thanks for the sign off on letting me have my opinion...

and yes, i have heard him speak for almost 2 full terms now and i don't reach the same conclusion that you do.

fine.

i don't see the moral equivalency that you seem to see between the guy in iran and the guy in the u.s.

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imo, letting the guy visit the site is a slap in the face to the dead.

he's a leading sponsor of terror, a vicious holocaust denier, his military is actively supporting and operating with opposition groups in iraq that are killing american troops, and by his own admission looks forward to the day when his 12th Imam rides to glory on his f'n winged horse to make vengeance upon us infidels and make the world a perfect islamic society. can't wait for that!

there is no reasoning or dealing with such people. the only invite this guy needs is an up close and personal meeting with a .50 caliber peacekeeper.

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You give reasons that could very easily be altered to refer to George Bush... religious fanatic, blood of American troops on his hand, leading contributor to terrorism, dislikes non-Christians and subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture .

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o.k. you can float your boat anyway you choose.

i happen to disagree that bush is a...

"religious fanatic", has "blood of American troops on his hand", is a "leading contributor to terrorism", that he "dislikes non-Christians" and I have no idea whether he "subsequently presumably thinks non christians, gays and other undeseriables will get [censored] over during the rapture"

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You're entitled to your opinion as long as you ignore his policy and don't listen to his speeches. Once you've done either of these things, it's not a matter of a opinion anymore, at least for the majority of the issues listed above.

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thanks for the sign off on letting me have my opinion...

and yes, i have heard him speak for almost 2 full terms now and i don't reach the same conclusion that you do.

fine.

i don't see the moral equivalency that you seem to see between the guy in iran and the guy in the u.s.

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I shouldn't have responded to your post in such a manner, regardless of my views. I'm letting internet forums get the better of me again. Apologies.

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The guy's been protrayed, rightly or wrongly, as Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Having him go to Ground Zero would be political dynamite for the administration.

Allowing him to visit Ground Zero could be a way toward diffusing the tensions betwen the two countries. Which is why we won't allow it.

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Yes, that's exactly what Joe sixpack's thinking while he's shaking his fist at the tube. Yes, that's what the police chief immediately thought of when he first got the phone call. "But the oil! Can't have these people starting to like Iran, now" Yes, way to totally hit the nail on the head there.



Or, you know, maybe it has more to do with how he's a self avowed enemy of our country. Something like that...

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The guy's been protrayed, rightly or wrongly, as Hitler and Stalin rolled into one. Having him go to Ground Zero would be political dynamite for the administration.

Allowing him to visit Ground Zero could be a way toward diffusing the tensions betwen the two countries. Which is why we won't allow it.

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Ahmadinejad quotes:

"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets."

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Could [9/11] be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services - or their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their responsibilities? And, why aren't those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put on trial?"

“Iran is ready to transfer nuclear know-how to the
Islamic countries due to their need.”

"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world."

"If you want to have good relations with the Iranian people in the future, you should acknowledge the right and the might of the Iranian people, and you should bow and surrender to the might of the Iranian people. If you do not accept this, the Iranian people will force you to bow and surrender."

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."

"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"

Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

"Are they human beings?... They (Zionists) are a group of blood-thirsty savages putting all other criminals to shame."

"The Zionists are the true manifestation of Satan"

This is the man with whom you are suggesting "diffusing tensions". Chamberlain had a similar idea about diffusing tensions with Hitler. Well, maybe Ahmadinejad will change his mind if he is treated kindly and will decide he just wants to "work things out" instead of "wiping Israel off the map." Anyone want to guess the odds on that?

Sorry but I just don't see it...diffusing tensions with Ahmadinejad while Iran finishes development of its nuclear bombs would be a...good idea?

As always, thanks for reading.

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Yeah, probably. I would have replaced Neilso with "X" but It won't let me edit now. I don't really know what Neilso's view is so that was dumb. But its certainly the view of many video's hes linked such as Zeitgeist and that dude who died recently.

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I'd be kinda surprised if Aaron Rousso was anti-semitic. His family lived in beverly hills, and had a ton of jewish friends. Jewish people I knew liked Aaron, but thought he was probably a bit nutty. Do you have information I should know about?

Lets Honor Ahmadinejad Request.....
 

Lets honor Ahmadinejad's Request.....by created a smouldering, burning, ground zero in Tehran.

He wants to lay a wreath honoring the 19 dead hijackers.
You don't let one of the top sponsors of terror make a propaganda ploy like this on our soil...

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This is exactly the type of man with whom it would be wise to diffuse tensions.

And I still say the worst part about Munich is how often it's brought up in situations to which is has absolutely no relevance.