AKs checkraised for the nut flush draw. We\'re pretty deep.
 

Villain is 18/15/3 over 200 hands but his stats aren't telling the full story. He has been really aggro post flop with almost every hand raised or 3-bet. He has been caught with his hands in the till once already. I'm still adjusting to 200nl so I'm probably playing a little weak-tight but so far I have only showndown the goods. What do I do on the flop here?

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Button ($247.40)
SB ($41.75)
BB ($367.05)
Hero ($411.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($13) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $38</font>, <font color="#CC3333"> Hero should...?

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call

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Call or reraise.

9 outs + 6 outs if we assume he does not have trips or 2 pair. if thats the case you are down to 9 outs. and therefor an underdog. it is also just possible he is trying to defent his overpairs or small pairs to see where he stands. and also counting bluff tendeny (valians) + possible fold equity i would probably not fold here, only in speciel cases.

i would reraise

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Against an aggro I would reraise to 120 and call a shove. I think your AK outs are good. He will 3-bet crap like 68o here.

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start by calling

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What do you think the c / r by this player means?

I would call and see a turncard.

Re: AKs checkraised for the nut flush draw. We\'re pretty deep.
 

Reraise 120

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With probably 15 outs to the win I call here and check behind any turn.

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how is 125 bb pretty deep...

you can:

1.) Shove
2.) Call and hit

I normally shove, but people c/r bluff me a lot

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how is 125 bb pretty deep...

you can:

1.) Shove
2.) Call and hit

I normally shove, but people c/r bluff me a lot

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Effective stacks are 183bb's.

Being this deep will also make villian a little wary. Based on his stats, if you call and miss, he will make it expensive to see river, making you have to fold, if you call and hit, he probably won't pay you off.

Push is probably the best option. Even though hard to do when getting used to new levels. What would you do if it was .25-.50? Probably push right?

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What do you think the c / r by this player means?

I would call and see a turncard.

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I think a cr means he has some piece of the flop but it isn't necessarily a monster. It could be as little as top pair or a small overpair. Like I said before, I've been a little bit weak tight so he may just be thinking he can push me around with a marginal holding expecting me to fold. Am I wrong to think he would be more likely to lead into me with a monster (set/2pr) ?

And the villain is the BB, not the button-183 bb's deep.

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is your sn criminal?

i think i like calling.

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is your sn criminal?

i think i like calling.

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yes. if you are who i think you are then you murdered me in a pot with Aces a few nights back when i butchered a hand real bad.

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I like a call here, if we turn a K or A we can call the turn with a hand that may well stand up at the showdown and still have outs to the NF. Too deep to push, I don't really see him calling with a smallish overpair. And he didn't 3bet pf.

If you were 100bb deep it'd be an easy shove.

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I like a call here, if we turn a K or A we can call the turn with a hand that may well stand up at the showdown and still have outs to the NF. Too deep to push, I don't really see him calling with a smallish overpair. And he didn't 3bet pf.

If you were 100bb deep it'd be an easy shove.

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I agree that this is a super easy shove with only 100bb. Upon reflection I think calling is best. My brother is a winner at 2/4 and 3/6. As an alternative to calling he suggested that I make a raise to about 140 with the obvious intention of calling a shove (but not liking it greatly) as the way of exerting maximum pressure on villain. Thoughts?

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I like a call here, if we turn a K or A we can call the turn with a hand that may well stand up at the showdown and still have outs to the NF. Too deep to push, I don't really see him calling with a smallish overpair. And he didn't 3bet pf.

If you were 100bb deep it'd be an easy shove.

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I agree that this is a super easy shove with only 100bb. Upon reflection I think calling is best. My brother is a winner at 2/4 and 3/6. As an alternative to calling he suggested that I make a raise to about 140 with the obvious intention of calling a shove (but not liking it greatly) as the way of exerting maximum pressure on villain. Thoughts?

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If I reraise this is how I doose it. I usually call here tho.

Re: AKs checkraised for the nut flush draw. We\'re pretty deep.
 

call, raise turnbet

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Oh well. Calling is best.

I shoved and he thought for an age before calling with 45spades. Turn was 2d. River Ad.

eugh.

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is your sn criminal?

i think i like calling.

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yes. if you are who i think you are then you murdered me in a pot with Aces a few nights back when i butchered a hand real bad.

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meh, not horrible. to be fair i did float you the hand before.

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Oh well. Calling is best.

I shoved and he thought for an age before calling with 45spades. Turn was 2d. River Ad.

eugh.

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Are you saying now that you know his hand, calling is best? I would love to have your hand vs villians any day.
Don't be result oriented, in this case, Push was +EV.

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Oh well. Calling is best.

I shoved and he thought for an age before calling with 45spades. Turn was 2d. River Ad.

eugh.

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Are you saying now that you know his hand, calling is best? I would love to have your hand vs villians any day.
Don't be result oriented, in this case, Push was +EV.

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wtf how is saying that calling flop is best results oriented?

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Don't be result oriented, in this case, Push was +EV.

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Call is more +EV than push here, though. Villain may fold to a flop push if he considers his flush outs to be counterfeit, and we'd prefer to have all the money in, as OP is the favorite on the flop.

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Are you saying now that you know his hand, calling is best? I would love to have your hand vs villians any day.
Don't be result oriented, in this case, Push was +EV.

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No, I can assure you this is not results orientated. As villain pondered his call my immediate thought was that I needed feedback on this hand because I was unsure whether I had made the correct move.

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I think calling the flop is definitely best given how deep you are. If villain is calling a reraise on the flop almost two buyins deep your ace and king outs are very likely not good.

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call, raise turnbet

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i kinda like this

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call, raise turnbet

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i kinda like this

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bleh, hes gotta be pretty out of line to do this

its one thing to be aggro with 100bb, but most turn into wussies when its close to 200

just call flop

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calling flop is definately more profiteable than folding or 3-betting/shoving.