200: tpwk
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $190.75
BB: $407.05
UTG: $231.00
UTG+1: $208.55
MP1: $517.50
MP2: $200.00
MP3: $259.50
CO: $72.00
QTip (BTN): $277.40

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is avjen who is 15/8/7.3 over 12k hands. Anyone who plays 1/2 stars has played with him. He plays multitables all day every day.</font>

Preflop: QTip is dealt 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, QTip calls $8.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($19) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">MP1 bets $16.00</font>

Re: 200: tpwk
 

iirc he folds to raises a lot

raise some of the time(basically bluffing take the pot down)
call some of the time

Re: 200: tpwk
 

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I thought this would be a good spot to "raise to find out where I'm at now"

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are you a standard nit or would you raise a set here. What does he do with AK AQ to a raise, i.e. will he fold better if you raise. Also, flatting pre sucks vs such a nit especially if it will end up heads up as it did.

Re: 200: tpwk
 

There are many possibilities with a hand like this. How will this guy play the rest of the hand if he has a pair of A's? How much bluffing does he do OOP?

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are you a standard nit or would you raise a set here. What does he do with AK AQ to a raise, i.e. will he fold better if you raise. Also, flatting pre sucks vs such a nit especially if it will end up heads up as it did.

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Why would you be afraid to just call here and play some deep poker?

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are you a standard nit or would you raise a set here. What does he do with AK AQ to a raise, i.e. will he fold better if you raise. Also, flatting pre sucks vs such a nit especially if it will end up heads up as it did.

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Why would you be afraid to just call here and play some deep poker?

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I think calling on the button preflop is fine.

I think folding on the flop is fine. You were playing for a big flop or a big draw, and you missed. So, folding is fine.

I think raising TPWK is OK, but only if you give up if he doesn't fold to your raise on the flop.

I think calling is OK, too, as long as you plan to pot (or psr) the turn on any diamond, and then really sell that you have a flush for another psb/push on the river. But if you go that route, he has to believe that you'd actually "call" the c-b on a draw. Of course, if you "always" raise your sets and draws, then it might be suspicious if you overplay your "flush" after just floating the cb.

If you float with the intent to steal, but you don't get the flush card or another 4, then folding to a large turn bet would be best (even if it's another ace).

Floating (call bluffing) is more effective if you actually have a big hand or big draw when you call in position sometimes, that way when you bluff big in a spot like this on a 3-flush turn then he'll be more likely to believe it.

Re: 200: tpwk
 

id call with the intention of betting if checked to on any turn. OR raising any diamond if bet to.

Re: 200: tpwk
 

I generally don't cold-call preflop with these hands. Do you generally do this? How's it work out?

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I generally don't cold-call preflop with these hands. Do you generally do this? How's it work out?

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I generally don't either, but I had a lot of things going for me here and we were 135bb effective.

Re: 200: tpwk
 

as far as how it works out, I raised the flop as pretty much a bluff, cuz I'm done at that point, and he folded.

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I generally don't cold-call preflop with these hands. Do you generally do this? How's it work out?

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I generally don't either, but I had a lot of things going for me here and we were 135bb effective.

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IK didn't notice that. With deeper effective stacks I can dig it.


You didn't answer my question from earlier though... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I know it is a specific question, so if you don't know that's cool. I do think that how he plays those respective hands will have a big effect on your best line.

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There are many possibilities with a hand like this. How will this guy play the rest of the hand if he has a pair of A's? How much bluffing does he do OOP?

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I don't think he does a lot of bluffing...at least I've not seen it. That's why I thought this would be the cheapest street to raise and see what's up.

I will say this, tho. If he's paid attention, I've gotten aggressive with him on draws many times and have mixed up my play well against with with monsters and draws. Basically, if he doesn't have an A or a FF, I'm pretty sure he's done here 99% of the time.

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There are many possibilities with a hand like this. How will this guy play the rest of the hand if he has a pair of A's? How much bluffing does he do OOP?

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I don't think he does a lot of bluffing...at least I've not seen it. That's why I thought this would be the cheapest street to raise and see what's up.

I will say this, tho. If he's paid attention, I've gotten aggressive with him on draws many times and have mixed up my play well against with with monsters and draws. Basically, if he doesn't have an A or a FF, I'm pretty sure he's done here 99% of the time.

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What advantages does raising here have over waiting until the turn?

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There are many possibilities with a hand like this. How will this guy play the rest of the hand if he has a pair of A's? How much bluffing does he do OOP?

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I don't think he does a lot of bluffing...at least I've not seen it. That's why I thought this would be the cheapest street to raise and see what's up.

I will say this, tho. If he's paid attention, I've gotten aggressive with him on draws many times and have mixed up my play well against with with monsters and draws. Basically, if he doesn't have an A or a FF, I'm pretty sure he's done here 99% of the time.

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What advantages does raising here have over waiting until the turn?

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My thoughts are that the pot is smaller, so my raise is smaller and risk is lower.

Re: 200: tpwk
 

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There are many possibilities with a hand like this. How will this guy play the rest of the hand if he has a pair of A's? How much bluffing does he do OOP?

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I don't think he does a lot of bluffing...at least I've not seen it. That's why I thought this would be the cheapest street to raise and see what's up.

I will say this, tho. If he's paid attention, I've gotten aggressive with him on draws many times and have mixed up my play well against with with monsters and draws. Basically, if he doesn't have an A or a FF, I'm pretty sure he's done here 99% of the time.

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What advantages does raising here have over waiting until the turn?

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My thoughts are that the pot is smaller, so my raise is smaller and risk is lower.

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I mean, waiting until the turn to see what he does. If he checks he probably has nothing and you can bet and pick up the pot. If he bets again he probably has you beat and you can fold.

Re: 200: tpwk
 

I think the reason I've not done that is because I fold to 2nd barrels too often, and I think some have caught that. I'm trying to grow a calling sack IP on the turn, but it's taking a while to grow.