Party loses another one to Stars
 

After a string of emails to party VIP, I am completely fed up and am Moving full time to stars. If you are interested in reading this for more information on noncongruencies and misinformation within party CS, feel free to read and comment.


Sent to me February 2nd

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Dear Justin,

Thank you for contacting us.

Based on your performance in December you will need to play approximately 9 times the amount if you mix tourney games and low limit high low Omaha means you will need to accumulate approximately 9,000 player club points to enter the VIP team. We expect our VIP players to play $1/$2 stakes consistently for the whole month as a minimum requirement.

The following link will direct you to our Player club pointýs breakdown on our web site. Please note the difference of the points earned with low limit games as opposed to higher stake games;

https://secure.partypoker.com/my_acc...arnpoints.html

If you require further assistance please do not hesitate to contact the VIP team.

Kind regards,

Serkan
PartyPoker.com VIP Club
Customer Care


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Also on February 2nd, I took this one to mean $1,200 MGR

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> Dear Justin,
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> Thank you for contacting us.
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> In regards to the tournaments you play, I would advice you average 1,200 tournaments per months of $5 + $1. This should get you enough points to join the VIP Club. Please go ahead and give this a try for the first couple of weeks and then write back to us so we can update you on your level of play and hopefully give you a much clearer picture on what you need to play so to be upgraded to VIP status.
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> I wish you the best of luck and hope you have a nice day.
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> Should you require further assistance, our Customer Care Department is available 24/7 to assist you via email.
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> Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!
>
> Alfred
> VIP Club
> Customer Care


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Sent to me February 20th when I asked for an update to how i was doing

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Dear Justin,

We would like to thank you for your interest in our PartyPoker.com VIP Club.

In regard to your email, the VIP Club has been setup to reward player who generate a high number of Player Club Regular Points every month playing at our tables.

We assess players on an individual basis, taking into consideration level of play and length of time spent at our tables. We have reviewed your account and wish to advise that you will need to increase the number of Player Club Points you generate monthly in order to qualify for our VIP Club.

As a rough guide, based on your current playing activity at our tables, to achieve the minimum number of Player Club Regular Points required you will need to earn in excess of 3,600 Player Club Regular Points a month. For full details of how Player Club Points are earned, please go to the following address:

https://secure.partypoker.com/my_acc...arnpoints.html

Our VIP Players list is updated every 4 to 6 weeks, our system will automatically upgrade your account to VIP status once you have achieved these monthly parameters.

If you have any further queries about our VIP Club, please do not hesitate to contact us at [email protected], all other queries should be addressed to [email protected].


Sinead
PartyPoker.com VIP Club
Customer Care


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Sent by me 2/28/2006

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> Hello VIP,
>
> I have reached the goal that you have set for me to attain VIP status,
> 3600 regular points and over 1200MGR, would it be possible for you to
> review my account for VIP status, and let me know if I will be
> eligible to join into the accelerator promo in march?
>
> Thank you
> Justin


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> Dear Justin,
>
> Thank you for contacting us.
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> We see that your February performance has contributed to 3593 regular PartyPoints which does not satisfy our requirements for our system to accept you as a new VIP player.
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> I would like to advise you that to achieve VIP status for the month of April, aim to achieve 4000 regular PartyPoints at your current level of play to ensure and to secure a VIP status.
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> If you require further assistance please do not hesitate to contact the VIP team.
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> Kind regards,
>
> Serkan
> PartyPoker.com VIP Club
> Customer Care


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Hello,

Actually, I earned 3605 total regular points for February, and I was
told that the requirement was 3600. I was also told to earn 9000 total
points, I earned 9404. Please reconsider my VIP status.

Thank you,
Justin


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This was the most helpful response here.....

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Dear Justin,

Thank you for contacting us.

We have reviewed your account and wish to advise you that you will need to increase your play at our tables in order to qualify for our VIP Club.

Keep on playing and we will contact you as soon as you will be eligible for the VIP Club.

If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us at [email protected]

Thank you for choosing us as your online gaming site!

Aurelie
VIP Club
Poker Customer Care


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Dear VIP,

This is an insult. I have sent emails all throughout the month to be sure that I would wualify for VIP status. First I was told to generate $1,200 in MGR, I did that. In fact, I generated $1,268 in ring games, and another $70 from SNGs. Next I was told to play 1/2 regularly. I 4-tabled 3/6 all month. Next I was told to earn 9,000 total player points. I earned 9404. Finally, I was told repeatedly to earn 3,600 regular player points. I earned 3605. I did everything you asked of me, and a little more, and still I am denied. I am sorry to say that I wasted the past 4 weeks doing exactly what you asked of me only to get spit in the face.

On top of this, there was not a single non-VIP bonus in all of February. You expect me to increase my play further, on top of what you already told me to play...for nothing?

Starting today, I will be playing full time at Poker Stars. They say that you need 1500 points for gold status, well when you hit 1500 points you are gold status. You need 100,000 for supernova status. I am willing to bet a lot of money than when I hit 100,000 they are not going to turn me away and say that I can not be a supernova. Your status does not depend on the mood of the person that you happen to email. In todays business world your word is a very important thing, and you, VIP support, have strung me along for a month only to tell me that it was all a joke in the end.

Thank you for your time and all of your prompt replies,

Justin


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Dear Justin,

Thank you for contacting the Customer Care Team.

We are sorry that you feel you have been mistreated. I have had a good look into your account and see that you were very close to the thresh-hold. The figure that Serkan sent (4000 regular party points) is actually an accurate figure that you need to get based on your current level to be a VIP. As for people telling you that you need to generate $1200 MGR, well this is very inaccurate.

Please note we will be upgrading players in 4-6 weeks to VIP status. I am hoping you will be upgraded too.

Note: Please do not disclose your password to any individual/organization claiming to represent us. We will never ask you for the password to your account. If you receive any email or phone call from anyone requesting you to provide your password please report it to us immediately.

Please let us know if you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to assist you via email or telephone.


Kind Regards,

Catriona Byrne
VIP Poker Customer Care

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VIP team,

Actually it was Serkan who sent me the figure ot 9,000 total points originally (For the record, once again, I had over 9400) That email that he sent is at the bottom of this one. I have also pasted the email from Sinead that said to get 3,600 points. Also, Serkan said 4,000 today because there are 31 Days in march. This equates to 130 points per day. Since february had only 28 days, one would expect to get around 400 points less in february, making 3,600 for that shortened month. While I do feel that 4,000 is a fair goal and I know i will definitely exceed 4,000 over the next few months, 3,600 is at the same rate as a goal for February. Why is it so difficult to get you to honor your word? Also, you said "I am hoping that you will be upgraded too". What does this even mean? Since you set a goal (albeit an ever-changing goal) there is obviously a point at which one must cross to be upgraded, and if he doesnt get to that point he does not get upgraded. Have I not crossed that point? You seem to hope that I have crossed it. I hope so too.


Regards,
Justin

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Dear Justin,

Thank you for contacting the Customer Care Team.

No Justin, you have not crossed the point to become VIP yet, but believe me you are not far from it. Please belive that if you stick to what I have told you and accumulate 4000 REGULAR party points at your current level of play there should not be a problem.

Also, when I said I hope that you would be upgraded I meant that you would stay with the site and not go loose hope and go to another site. Please mail me back if I can answer anymore questions for you.

Kind Regards,

Catriona Byrne
VIP Poker Customer Care

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Catriona and others,

I received no bonuses at all in February as a regular member. None. I understand that you had a lot going on with the new format release and the Acceler-8-tor program. But this was the first time in a very long time that Party Poker did not offer anything to their faithful majority. I am not able to get Rake Back on party poker. I am not getting any bonuses on Party Poker. Party Poker used to have the "fish factor" where you had tons of rookie players on the tables due to your size and advertising, but now even that is gone because at the 3/6 level you have 1,500 blood thirsty VIPs with their 15VPIP. Now you don't even have that anymore. Party Poker has lost it's edge. I am told to reach a threshold, and when I reach it, I am told that it is not good enough (If you look closely at my account, you will see that the last few days of the month my play has reduced greatly because I KNEW I was already at the goal that YOU set for me.) So now, instead of just needing 400 more points, I need 4,000 more! So really, in order to qualify, I need to earn 7,600 points based on what I have been told to do. How am I even to know that in the end of March when I hit my 4,000 points that I won't be told that now I need 4,500? I am not receiving anything to keep my business at party poker, and there are plenty of other sites that are more then willing to compensate me greatly. If you seriously want to answer my questions, answer this: Why should I stay? What is in it for me?

Sincerely Disappointed,
Justin


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Dear Justin,

Thank you for contacting the Customer Care Team.

We are regretful that you feel this way. I have told you that if you hit the 4000 regular party points that you will be VIP and you will be entitled to all he VIP offers and bonuses that are on offer. This threshold will not change unless you change your levels of play.

I have looked into your account and see that your a good player and I also have already told you that you are close.

Note: Please do not disclose your password to any individual/organization claiming to represent us. We will never ask you for the password to your account. If you receive any email or phone call from anyone requesting you to provide your password please report it to us immediately.

Please let us know if you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to assist you via email or telephone.


Kind Regards,

Catriona Byrne
VIP Poker Customer Care


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Catriona,

How can you say that I am close? Do you mean that I only need to hit 4,000 with the 3600 that I already have? If so, what is my deadline? To me it seems that now that march is a new month, I have 0 points, and 0 is not very close to 4,000.

Thanks, J

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Dear Justin,

Thank you for contacting the Customer Care Team.

You have to hit this figure in March. If you do that you should fall in for the next upgrade.

Note: Please do not disclose your password to any individual/organization claiming to represent us. We will never ask you for the password to your account. If you receive any email or phone call from anyone requesting you to provide your password please report it to us immediately.

Please let us know if you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Care Department at any time. We are here 24/7 to assist you via email or telephone.


Kind Regards,

Catriona Byrne
VIP Poker Customer Care

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Catriona,

Then I am not at all close. I am forced to push my play to the extreme for yet another month only to get nothing in return (except the slight possibility of a VIP offer for the following month) I will be playing on Poker Stars until I can see a good reason to come back to Party. Thank you and good luck.
J

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Then she stopped replying.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

SO SORRY

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

ENJOY!

Also, if you're playing $5 SNGs, you should:

A: Not be worried about VIP in the first place, because your offer will be tiny

B: Move to stars, because they have $5+.50's

Just my advice.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Rake over $1 > $0 rake.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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ENJOY!

Also, if you're playing $5 SNGs, you should:

A: Not be worried about VIP in the first place, because your offer will be tiny

B: Move to stars, because they have $5+.50's

Just my advice.

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I was playing mini steps ($5+$1) and that was only in the beginning of the month. They work out nicely cause you usually play about $20 in fees for each $5+$1 you actually pay for with all the freerolls. For points, they are great.
Anyhow, 90% of the month i played 4 table 3/6

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Well seems like poker players aren't the only ones multitabling.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Stars has much lower fee for $5 SNG and for $2/$4 ring games, so you will be ahead there.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Interesting. It sounds like they don't really care if you play there or not. You'd think they would at least throw you a $100 5X bonus like they've been doing for others.

I guess the next move is up to you. They are banking you stick it out and run their hamster wheel for another month. If you don't stay, they'll probably throw $50 into your account and tell you how much they've missed you.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Interesting. It sounds like they don't really care if you play there or not. You'd think they would at least throw you a $100 5X bonus like they've been doing for others.

I guess the next move is up to you. They are banking you stick it out and run their hamster wheel for another month. If you don't stay, they'll probably throw $50 into your account and tell you how much they've missed you.

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I am definitely not playing until they offer a good non-VIP promo...even if they do, I probably wont. Not only because of this, but because I am very busy.

Playing poker while having a new 7 week old puppy = severe -EV

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

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No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll.

If such a 'rule' became standard at all sites, I probably wouldn't play online anymore. I don't trust the sites that much. They don't really seem to know what they are doing. I could see them labeling people cheaters who aren't, just so they could confiscate their entire bankrolls. Especially at underfunded newer sites that can't make it anyways. So they'd just say you are a cheater and keep all your money.

Sure, that may not be likely at the big established sites, but there are 300 other sites that might abuse such a rule as that.

Since you can't have your day in court, and your arguments wouldn't be heard anyways, why give the sites that kind of power to confiscate your entire bankroll on that site? That wouldn't be good for players.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Well seems like poker players aren't the only ones multitabling.

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I'm not sure if you are trying to make a backhanded comment here........but if you are then.......well......no need to defend myself here. Thanks.

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I don't get it. Don't you just have to hit gold status to become a VIP?

Either way, obviously they would make you a VIP if they felt you were one. Not everyone can be a VIP. VIP means being in the upper echelon of volume players. I can understand being mad at the run-around by CS, but it's not their fault you don't play high enough or generate enough volume to be a VIP.

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

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No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll.

If such a 'rule' became standard at all sites, I probably wouldn't play online anymore. I don't trust the sites that much. They don't really seem to know what they are doing. I could see them labeling people cheaters who aren't, just so they could confiscate their entire bankrolls. Especially at underfunded newer sites that can't make it anyways. So they'd just say you are a cheater and keep all your money.

Sure, that may not be likely at the big established sites, but there are 300 other sites that might abuse such a rule as that.

Since you can't have your day in court, and your arguments wouldn't be heard anyways, why give the sites that kind of power to confiscate your entire bankroll on that site? That wouldn't be good for players.

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ZeeJustin wasn't "falsely accused" of cheating. People get accused of cheating all the time at party poker and poker stars. He was investigated, and found to be guilty of cheating. Thats why he lost that money.

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I don't get it. Don't you just have to hit gold status to become a VIP?

Either way, obviously they would make you a VIP if they felt you were one. Not everyone can be a VIP. VIP means being in the upper echelon of volume players. I can understand being mad at the run-around by CS, but it's not their fault you don't play high enough or generate enough volume to be a VIP.

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I don't know Lestat. If he was told to do X to get Y, and he did X assuming he'd get Y, but they then told him to do X+Z the next month to get Y, I'd have a beef with it.

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ZeeJustin wasn't "falsely accused" of cheating. People get accused of cheating all the time at party poker and poker stars. He was investigated, and found to be guilty of cheating. Thats why he lost that money.

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Who cares what they did or didn't do to ZeeJustin?

I don't want a rule that all sites follow that says all money in my account can be confiscated if they accuse me rightly or wrongly of some type of cheating. That would be insane.

Do you want some idiot from a poker site determining you to be a colluder or something, then just taking everything you have at that site? Without any kind of third party mediation?

Really, it's hard enough to trust new sites as it is. But with a generally followed rule like this, who in the hell would ever deposit into a new site in the future, not knowing if they were going to abuse this rule? I wouldn't.

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I don't get it. Don't you just have to hit gold status to become a VIP?

Either way, obviously they would make you a VIP if they felt you were one. Not everyone can be a VIP. VIP means being in the upper echelon of volume players. I can understand being mad at the run-around by CS, but it's not their fault you don't play high enough or generate enough volume to be a VIP.

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I would want to give VIP to as many people as possible if i ran a room. The VIP promos don't pay out anything unless you play on a very high VIP level for the promo. Anyone who is willing to play on a very high level just to receive the equivalent of a 10% rakeback is a VIP in my book.

And for the record, it is their fault. I could have easily hit 4,000. I hardly played some of the first week of Feb at all and I stopped when I knew I was where they told me to be.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

leaving b/c you are not vip is pretty lame. you didn't meet their requirements - meet them or don't expect being a vip. plus, the vip hardly makes it worth playing on party...the games are what makes it good

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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I don't get it. Don't you just have to hit gold status to become a VIP?

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It must be based on rake. I became a VIP almost entirely from NL play where I earned about 1 point per month (give or take a few hundred).

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

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In the ZeeJustin mania, everyone seems to have forgotten stuff like this.

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

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In the ZeeJustin mania, everyone seems to have forgotten stuff like this.

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That's what I'm talking about. You can't give these sites free reign to confiscate entire accounts just because they accuse you of something.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

I've been saying that all day everyday, and people like BluffTHIS! somehow trust these unregulated casinos and poker rooms to do what's right 100% of the time.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

I'm a VIP and to be honest, I don't know what it does for me. The bonus requirement they placed on me was ridiculous. I'm not even trying to hit it. So you might not be missing outu on as much as you think you are. What else does being a VIP do?

My main point was that VIP to them is their upper rake generating players. How can you argue with that? If you're not one of them, you're not one of them. I do agree with your point about them giving you wrong information though. It's unfortunate, but all I'm saying is that if you have to work that hard to become a VIP, maybe it's not worth it for you.l

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

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No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll.

If such a 'rule' became standard at all sites, I probably wouldn't play online anymore. I don't trust the sites that much. They don't really seem to know what they are doing. I could see them labeling people cheaters who aren't, just so they could confiscate their entire bankrolls. Especially at underfunded newer sites that can't make it anyways. So they'd just say you are a cheater and keep all your money.

Sure, that may not be likely at the big established sites, but there are 300 other sites that might abuse such a rule as that.

Since you can't have your day in court, and your arguments wouldn't be heard anyways, why give the sites that kind of power to confiscate your entire bankroll on that site? That wouldn't be good for players.

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holy [censored] you are dumb. this is pretty funny.

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Anyone who is willing to play on a very high level just to receive the equivalent of a 10% rakeback is a VIP in my book.


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Heh. Nicely put.

Really, Neverlie, I don't care where you play (unless you're good, in which case I hope you stay at Party), but, man.

Party's customer support is ba-aa-ad.

They must pay those people $.07/hr.

Also it's interesting how Party continues to go after the short-term only strategy. Qualifying VIPs on a case-by-case basis (or according to a secret formula - whichever it is), is just another example.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Yes, ZeeJustin wasn't falsely accused, but some other player might. It's not always black & white. For example you created a new account with false name to get RB from your new affiliate. You broke Party's T & C. Do you want to lose all your bankroll?

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I would want to give VIP to as many people as possible if i ran a room.

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That would make VIP status not so VIP wouldn't it?

It sucks that they jerked you around like that. It seems like they are expecting you to average a certain amount for a few months, like with the Blue, Silver, & Gold status program. The email's you got were very misleading.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

I've decided to leave Party for good after that update fiasco that wiped out all my images.
I don't care about rakeback,i just can't play at a website that completely mistreats his customers.
Moved to Stars,while also playing at Full Tilt sometimes to clear their bonus.

Party is horrible.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

What exactly are the benefits of VIP?

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

Sorry to disagree. Read the emails again. THey tell you clearly that you need in excess of 3600. I don't think 5 in either direction is what they are talking about. They are also clearly telling you that they want you at the 1/2 tables or higher for long sessions. Yes, it would be nice if they had defined standards, but if I were Party I would do the same thing. They want people to play at party no matter what, provider of choice, and they want to reward those players. That is what a VIP program is for.

You want to get to some magic number and stop. That is not what they want to reward. Believe me I have plenty of things that I would like to see party address, but this isn't one of them.

jwb885

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leaving b/c you are not vip is pretty lame. you didn't meet their requirements - meet them or don't expect being a vip. plus, the vip hardly makes it worth playing on party...the games are what makes it good

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You're missing the point. Party Poker's service really sucks bad. It is so bad that I think it is ruining the site. I have taken my business elsewhere. For crying out loud, just send a simple question to [email protected] and see if you get a response that even remotely covers the topic.

The games on Party are going drastically downhill as well. Sure, there are plenty of fish in the sea. But there are so many low limit grinders now that it's hard to find a decent $3/6 full ring game. Short handed is your only option.

So assume you start playing short handed. There's still no reason to stick with party because the short handed tables are juicy on just about every poker site out there.

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These 3-6 tables are horrible, I'm trying shorthanded now and it's a little scary.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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THey tell you clearly that you need in excess of 3600. I don't think 5 in either direction is what they are talking about.

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3605 > 3600.

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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You are absolutely correct. Any player that is advocating a site should take a player's entire online bankroll even in the event of proven cheating is not thinking clearly, IMO.

Only funds that are directly linked to the cheating should be confisicated and naturally that player be permanently banned.

PokerStars got this one right and the action they took should be applauded by us players.

The position Party took in this case (total confisication of funds) should have been railed against by us players.

Players need to ask themselves what if they were falsely accused of cheating and their entire bankroll was wiped out?

There have been many cases where people are falsely accused, get convicted, and then serve jail time.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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You are absolutely correct. Any player that is advocating a site should take a player's entire online bankroll even in the event of proven cheating is not thinking clearly, IMO.

Only funds that are directly linked to the cheating should be confisicated and naturally that player be permanently banned.

PokerStars got this one right and the action they took should be applauded by us players.

The position Party took in this case (total confisication of funds) should have been railed against by us players.

Players need to ask themselves what if they were falsely accused of cheating and their entire bankroll was wiped out?

There have been many cases where people are falsely accused, get convicted, and then serve jail time.

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Perhaps we should just do away with jail then. Should I try to lower the prison sentence for murderers because one day, I might be falsely accused of murder and convicted? Maybe I should try to get rid of Megan's law cause I might one day be falsely accused of child molestation.

You might be a dumb@ss if you think that a site was too harsh against a player that was cheating you.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating!

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Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally.

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This is a joke, right?

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No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll.

If such a 'rule' became standard at all sites, I probably wouldn't play online anymore. I don't trust the sites that much. They don't really seem to know what they are doing. I could see them labeling people cheaters who aren't, just so they could confiscate their entire bankrolls. Especially at underfunded newer sites that can't make it anyways. So they'd just say you are a cheater and keep all your money.

Sure, that may not be likely at the big established sites, but there are 300 other sites that might abuse such a rule as that.

Since you can't have your day in court, and your arguments wouldn't be heard anyways, why give the sites that kind of power to confiscate your entire bankroll on that site? That wouldn't be good for players.

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Wha? Huh? You don't lose a 50k bankroll because someone ACCUSED you of cheating.

It's those who actually did cheat who lose 50k bankrolls.

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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holy [censored] you are dumb. this is pretty funny.


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he makes a good argument and that's your response? insults and curse words? so weak.

what he said makes sense. seems to come down to level of trust w/ poker sites.

edit: i would imagine that synergistic has been around the internet poker "scene" longer than you and has seen a few shady things that have happened here. 99.99% of it is on the up and up. but it's those few times when things go wrong when you remember youre not dealing w/ US businesses.

bwana

Re: Party loses another one to Stars
 

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Wha? Huh? You don't lose a 50k bankroll because someone ACCUSED you of cheating.

It's those who actually did cheat who lose 50k bankrolls.

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I think you are incorrect or potentially incorrect. Party's customer service has become so bad that I do not trust them to correctly investigate into a cheating problem.

It's funny because I was actually accused of cheating yesterday because I called a LAG donk down with ace high after he check raised me on the turn and bet the river.

Let's assume I was playing on Party and this idiot reports me for cheating because I called him down with ace high. I can just see party looking at the hand and saying "Hey! He called with nothing... he must have known the other guy's hand". So then instead of properly investigating the problem, they just accuse me of cheating, close my account and confiscate my bankroll.

I'm not saying that that has happened. But hypothetically, it could happen. Especially with their awful service.