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PokerFun007 09-16-2007 10:16 PM

nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Villian's first hand at table...what to do with his bet???

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($14.65)
SB ($9.30)
BB ($25.80)
Hero ($21.75)
UTG+1 ($25.65)
MP1 ($22.45)
MP2 ($18.85)
CO ($26.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $0.75</font>, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.85) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($7.85) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, UTG+1 calls $3.

River: ($13.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $7</font>,

I'mVeryBusy 09-16-2007 10:30 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Why did you under bet on the turn so much? If you are afraid of the flush - check - and you gave him perfect odds to draw at that BTW. $3.50 - $4.00 on the flop please.

coordi 09-16-2007 10:30 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Bet 3.25 on flop, check turn or bet a normal amount like 7ish. Fold river as played

CaptVimes 09-16-2007 10:35 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Fold preflop KQ is nasty to play from EP.

3to1 so you need to be good here 25% of the time to break even. Your flop and turn bets were weak and then you check. He could have a lot of things here.

coordi 09-16-2007 10:36 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Yea I missed the limp pf. If your going to play KQ here raise it 1.25 pre. Folding 75 raising 25 isnt an unreasonable percentage for this hand utg.

I'mVeryBusy 09-16-2007 10:38 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
i didnt see that either - FOLD

justscott 09-16-2007 10:45 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Just fold preflop save some money.

PokerFun007 09-16-2007 10:53 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
If it was KQ sooted is that more like 75% raise 25% fold then? or does it play same as unsuited?

PokerFun007 09-16-2007 10:54 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
Man, looking back at this, I played this hand terribly! If I had bet more on the flop I'd have known more where I stood on the turn. Ugh.

Chargers In 07 09-16-2007 11:08 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
for me KQs is 100% raise, offsuit is 100% fold.

ranka 09-16-2007 11:27 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
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for me KQs is 100% raise, offsuit is 100% fold.

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I fold both of these hands EP. Or KQs is playable from EP?

I'mVeryBusy 09-16-2007 11:37 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
U need to get a shirt that says "but it was suited" LMAO. Its not that much of an advantage to be suited so why 100% fold one and 100% raise the other?

CUZ IT WAS SOOOOOOOTED

Damntra 09-16-2007 11:39 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
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U need to get a shirt that says "but it was suited" LMAO. Its not that much of an advantage to be suited so why 100% fold one and 100% raise the other?

CUZ IT WAS SOOOOOOOTED

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I hear that at my home game so much. Drives me insane.

justscott 09-16-2007 11:42 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
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for me KQs is 100% raise, offsuit is 100% fold.

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Is KQs really in your 4 percent PFR range i call BS!!

ncboiler 09-16-2007 11:44 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
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Fold preflop KQ is nasty to play from EP.



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This was my initial thought too.

ncboiler 09-16-2007 11:46 PM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
[ QUOTE ]
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U need to get a shirt that says "but it was suited" LMAO. Its not that much of an advantage to be suited so why 100% fold one and 100% raise the other?

CUZ IT WAS SOOOOOOOTED

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I hear that at my home game so much. Drives me insane.

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Hearing this should make you happy.

Damntra 09-17-2007 12:11 AM

Re: nl25 I\'m confused on the riv
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
U need to get a shirt that says "but it was suited" LMAO. Its not that much of an advantage to be suited so why 100% fold one and 100% raise the other?

CUZ IT WAS SOOOOOOOTED

[/ QUOTE ]


I hear that at my home game so much. Drives me insane.

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Hearing this should make you happy.

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Not when you've heard the arguments back and forth a million and one times.


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