Tuan Le
 

is awesome. Wish he posted here.

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Is a luckbox douchebag. Matusow was right.

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haha.. he's obviously a very good tournament player, don't be obtuse.

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obviously he's good. I just don't like him. No reason.

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haha. well can't blame you there. everyone has someone they don't like for no reason. like me and cindy violette.

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i think he was incredibly lucky to win the WPT TOC III but who isn't lucky to win a big tourney? i think he's very entertaining to watch and really that's the point of TV poker.

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Is a luckbox douchebag.

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I hate his lisp!!

go fix your speech impediment!

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I hate his lisp!!

go fix your speech impediment!

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if it cost anything under 10 mil to fix it, i'm sure he'll be ok

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I really feel like he elevated his game to a new level tonight and he was playing Meta-Poker. He made some amazing calls (yes he got lucky to hit them, but he's absolutely fearless). He made a fantastic call with that KJ against Stolzmann and really took it to the other players.

I was quite impressed.

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It was for a 25k seat at the season 4 championship. That's where calling 500k with KJ comes from, not some incredible read. That's where Gus' "legendary" T8 call vs Antonio came from at the Bad Boys event, too. If they lose, who cares? They were going to buy into the event anyways. It's like playing an online free-roll.

I think Daniel said it best (out of context) - "he's just lucky and he doesn't know what he's doing". He won every race and outdrew whenever he was behind. 2 pair here, 2 pair there, everywhere a 2 pair.

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Watching Tuan Le may be the most fun I've ever had watching poker on tv.

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It seemed everytime he was in a hand he caught something on the flop and usually outdrew his opponent if he didn't already have him beat.

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That's what makes him so good! He always wins.

He\'s just another suckout artist..............
 

I know I know, he's won over 4 million bucks and blah blah
blah, he's still a suckout artist.
He puts himself in positions where he is a 20 percent
dog for all his chips and he sucks out.

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I've played in cash games on several occasions with Tuan, particularly triple draw and badugi. He is a very talented poker player. However, he does gamble too much, especially early in the hand. He makes many poor plays early in a hand, but then makes great reads and decisions later in a hand. Which makes him a very frustrating person to play against.

I can promise you that if we asked a bunch of tournament regulars who they don't want at their table, his name would be picked ahead of many players who are clearly considered to be much better. The volatility that comes with having Tuan in the game is huge.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Greg,

The thing is, his mistakes early on in the hands are so fundamentally wrong, it's hard for me to credit him as being a good player. Some of the stuff he does just makes no sense, and there is no possible justification. Especially his mistakes before the flop with shallow stacks.

All his amazing reads seem to be call downs, as well. If a guy never folds, then he's bound to make a few great call downs!

I dunno, I'd die to play with Tuan Le in a cash game where I could reload all day. In a tourney, his volatility is a little more dangerous and makes him a slightly better player, but I am not ready to start calling Tuan Le even a decent poker player.

-Jason

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I can promise you that if we asked a bunch of tournament regulars who they don't want at their table, his name would be picked ahead of many players who are clearly considered to be much better. The volatility that comes with having Tuan in the game is huge.

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At the Bellagio last fall I ran into Tuan at the first break of a $2,500 (I think?) NLHE event. He had more than quadrupled up in the first hour. I found him two breaks later and he was busted. Amazing really if you think about it. He is the definition of volatility.

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shhh don't tap on Greg's fishbowl.

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I think Daniel said it best (out of context) - "he's just lucky and he doesn't know what he's doing". He won every race and outdrew whenever he was behind. 2 pair here, 2 pair there, everywhere a 2 pair.

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Uhmmmm no. Thats not what Daniel said. He said people watch Tuan on T.V. and just think he's lucky and has no clue as to what he is doing but he actually in fact has a great understanding of what he's doing.

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It was for a 25k seat at the season 4 championship. That's where calling 500k with KJ comes from, not some incredible read. That's where Gus' "legendary" T8 call vs Antonio came from at the Bad Boys event, too. If they lose, who cares? They were going to buy into the event anyways. It's like playing an online free-roll.

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He made the same call at Hasan Habib at the WPT Season III Championship with K-J for like five million chips. Tuan Le seems to be a good post-flop player, though, but yeah he was also extremely lucky last night.

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I think Daniel said it best (out of context)

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Uhmmmm no. Thats not what Daniel said.

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Emphasis mine.

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yay Greg posted on my thread! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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wait was this shown on WPT? is this a new episode the battle of champions from season 3?

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Watching Tuan Le may be the most fun I've ever had watching poker on tv.

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I gotta agree. It might not show off the optimal way to play poker, but last night's show (and the heads-up against Temp Hutter last year) were both excellent TV material.

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I think Daniel said it best (out of context) - "he's just lucky and he doesn't know what he's doing". He won every race and outdrew whenever he was behind. 2 pair here, 2 pair there, everywhere a 2 pair.

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worst post ever. putting "out of context" doesn't give you an excuse to totally distort the information for everyone here that didn't see what he actually said. what are we here, the national enquirer?

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Uhmmmm no. Thats not what Daniel said. He said people watch Tuan on T.V. and just think he's lucky and has no clue as to what he is doing but he actually in fact has a great understanding of what he's doing.

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much better

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Gotta echo the 'luckbox douchebag' and 'annoying lisp' comments. He is one of my least favorite players right now.

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If a guy played like him on the internet they would call him a huge donk.

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all the newbies think tuan is great while one of the better online players just said the opposite, emulate your favorite players newbs, God bless chris moneymaker.

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all the newbies think tuan is great while one of the better online players just said the opposite, emulate your favorite players newbs, God bless chris moneymaker.

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i'm going to have to go with daniel n. on this one seeing as how he's played with him. any of the "better online players" that have spent time playing with him, please give us your input. fossilman's input is great, but i think this post is more related to his nlhe tournament play vs.

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all the newbies think tuan is great while one of the better online players just said the opposite, emulate your favorite players newbs, God bless chris moneymaker.

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that's some great quoting skills you have there, unless you think Raymer is a newbie.

PS: I have no idea if Tuan Le is any good, I doubt 90% of the posters in this thread do.

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Who is this imposter OP? Outrageous.

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I think Daniel said it best (out of context) - "he's just lucky and he doesn't know what he's doing". He won every race and outdrew whenever he was behind. 2 pair here, 2 pair there, everywhere a 2 pair.

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worst post ever. putting "out of context" doesn't give you an excuse to totally distort the information for everyone here that didn't see what he actually said. what are we here, the national enquirer?

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Uhmmmm no. Thats not what Daniel said. He said people watch Tuan on T.V. and just think he's lucky and has no clue as to what he is doing but he actually in fact has a great understanding of what he's doing.

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much better

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Putting Daniel's out-of-context quote was a joke, you morons. Come on, get with it here. See, it's funnier than if I just would've said "Tuan Le sucks", yet it still gets the point across.

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"all the newbies think tuan is great while one of the better online players just said the opposite, emulate your favorite players newbs, God bless chris moneymaker"


Yeah just out of curiosity how many million dollar prize pools have you won? That's what I thought....

No one's saying he doesnt get lucky to win these. Anyone who wins one gets lucky, but he is also a very talented tournament player.

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If a guy played like him on the internet they would call him a huge donk.

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Well if he plays the way he does at the WPT FT's that I've seen, he wouldn't be able to play long enough for anyone to comment on him. But maybe he just plays super aggressive in tournaments and final tables and can adjust when he needs to play with a tighter image during cash games. I really can't say because I have only seen him play 50 hands in my lifetime, and they were all in tournament FT's with shorter stacks in ratio to the blinds then you normally see in cash games. I doubt many of the posters who say how bad he is on here have seen anymore than I have.

Hype

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However, he does gamble too much, especially early in the hand.

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does anyone remember the hand where tuan was playing 400-800 limit and called three bets cold with JT on live at the bike? he's ridiculous.

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does anyone remember the hand where tuan was playing 400-800 limit and called three bets cold with JT on live at the bike? he's ridiculous.

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were they sooted?

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does anyone remember the hand where tuan was playing 400-800 limit and called three bets cold with JT on live at the bike? he's ridiculous.

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were they sooted?

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he wipes w/ $1200, $2400 if he had chillis.

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Is a luckbox douchebag. Matusow was right.

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Agreed

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My first exposure to Tuan Le was him complaining that the amateur player at the FT was "a suckout artist" after several of his own stupid calls and sucking out repeatedly.

Kind of set me up to not like him.