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bigslicknuts 09-15-2007 03:29 PM

NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $151.40
BB: $22.55
Hero (UTG): $65.90
UTG+1: $92.00
MP1: $104.75
MP2: $101.05
CO: $43.25
BTN: $106.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, 5 folds, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.00

Flop: ($12) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, SB calls $8.00, BB folds

Turn: ($28) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($28) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $20.00</font>, Hero ???

justscott 09-15-2007 04:10 PM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
Bets more flop, bets the turn.

Ron Burgundy 09-16-2007 05:52 AM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
Rebuy pre-hand.

Bet 20ish on the turn. Did the J change anything?

Since you checked, it's much more difficult to tell if he's on a draw or not. I think you gotta call this (assuming no reads).

crunny 09-16-2007 05:58 AM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
The only hand he beats that we beat is KQ in my opinion. So folding cant be too bad. I fold.

jetsetboy 09-16-2007 08:42 AM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
bet turn, as played call river.

bigslicknuts 09-16-2007 08:20 PM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
Is this a horrible spot to try to practice some pot control?

Damntra 09-16-2007 08:31 PM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
[ QUOTE ]
Bets more flop, bets the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think flop bet is fine.

Definitely bet turn, though. Nice pot sized bet.

ncboiler 09-16-2007 09:19 PM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
New to NL so I am still learning the game. That being said; Not betting the turn put you in a horrible position on the river. Villain is betting pretty much any river card.

I'mVeryBusy 09-16-2007 09:38 PM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
why are you playing AQ if you are afraid to bet when you hit? You have to pot the flop and I am 2/3 pot on the turn. You showed weakness - If i am villian I am betting that river too.

Keyser112 09-16-2007 09:58 PM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
bet pot flop and 2/3 pot turn.

maltaille 09-17-2007 12:43 AM

Re: NL100: AQ on Q-high Board vs. Flush Rivercard
 
By not betting closer to the pot on the flop you're both giving flushes better odds to draw, and not extracting as much as possible from those who either don't believe your cbet, or who have a worse Q.

Once called, you need to bet the turn. This isn't a good spot to practice pot control - there's a draw out that is well within his range. Sure, he might have a set, or he might have QJ, but they aren't more likely than a flush draw, a worse Q, or a PP. Bet 2/3 pot on the turn. If you get raised, reevaluate according to his tendencies (which you haven't included - they're important in deciding what to do on the river, given how you played).

As played, you beat KQ, QJ, and air on the river. Is he the sort of player likely to bet the river because it's a scare card for you? Is he the sort to bet even when he can only expect a call from a hand that beats him? You made this look very like a cbet from a hand that missed. Anyone aggressive or tricky is likely to bet, and you have to call them despite only getting 2.5:1. Classic example of how small mistakes on early streets can cause big mistakes on later ones.


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